It's this sort of crap that annoys me and makes me never want to post in these forums again. This has happened twice in two weeks.

http://forum.cakewalk.com...spx?m=3223317&fp=1

I log it in problem reports and a host just moves it out without any comment. Shabby behaviour when you consider I'm hardly a layman in all this (I'm also probably the reason why those forums exist). This is more down to bowing towards authority.

They want to feel they own the keys rather than follow the actual procedure stated in the handbook.

Susan G
I wasn't around when the forum hosts were first added and some of the subforums created. I'm not crazy about the tone/content of some of the forum hosts' posts, esp. when they say they like or respect certain members or particularly value their input, yada-yada, or argue ad infinitum a single point to make sure they're seen as "right."  It shouldn't matter whether a host "likes" or "respects" a forum member when they're applying the rules, IMO.
 
Maybe they're in an untenable position as members *and* hosts, but it seems to me they should try to be objective and leave out the subjective stuff, if possible.
 

I don't think the personalities of the hosts have changed much, if at all, since becoming hosts and because they are members, they continue to post like they did as members. Comments about liking or respecting someone were present before there were hosts.
 
The only potential "host overlay" is that those comments could now be viewed as having "the force of law" or whatever, but I think it's just humans being human. Another consideration is there are two ways to influence behavior. One is to call out something negative in the hope that people will stop doing it. The other is to recognize something positive in the hope that it will encourage people to continue doing that. 
 
I know what you mean about arguing ad infinitum, having been involved in some pretty long back-and-forths myself . But if someone brings up additional points, then not answering them appears evasive. Or if someone misrepresents a position, then either something has been misunderstood so clarification is required, or there is deliberate disingenuousness and then that also needs to be addressed.
 
I will say that sometimes the "threads-that-never-end" just continue to deteriorate and signify nothing, but sometimes it takes a lot of posts before something really meaningful appears that puts things in a new light. For example, the no notation fixes has both...I think those "five most important bugs" post was truly helpful, but then as Larry pointed out, the thread deteriorated further.
 
It's all good. As long as humans are involved, there will be imperfections. It's how we react to the imperfections that either moves things forwards or backwards.
 
 

Doktor Avalanche
It's this sort of crap that annoys me and makes me never want to post in these forums again. This has happened twice in two weeks...They want to feel they own the keys rather than follow the actual procedure stated in the handbook.

I don't think it was an attempt to exercise power, it appears on the surface with a cursory read like the thread is about distributing info on SONAR. So the reason for moving it was probably because it was moved too hurriedly, not maliciously. 
 
I do think there is confusion sometimes about what's a "SONAR thing" and what's a "problem thing." 
 
Anyway, I guess I need to figure out how to move a thread now...

Thanks Craig.... I made comments on the other thread (Sad I couldn't keep the issue clean again). I won't hijack this thread with further comments about this specific issue.

Good

I would add getting away from the specific issue and being more general about it, that thread just highlights the worst about these forums for me. It will always be like this however and it's not like other forums don't experience the same sort of issues...


Thread gets moved from problem reports forum without comment.... A swarm of comments appear which really aren't dealing with the specifics (not a big problem but problem reports really isn't about opinions, it's about getting clearly understandable issues to QA... however now it's in Sonar forums it's become a comment thread so anything goes). It gets moved back, I find myself commenting thinking it's still in Sonar when it isn't. Then a host starts threatening to delete a thread purely on the basis of the subject title, I blow up because this is heavy handed. Then OP (me) trying to get it back where it belongs and on topic, and then the trolling vouchers at the end waiting to pick up the scraps of meat (wanting to discuss their own agendas or prod people ... guess they like that sort of thing).... a total and utter mess.

End result the thread is unusable for problem reports, and I end up recommend it should get locked.
Not pointing fingers, it's just a bees nest. Plenty of examples not just this thread.

Anderton

YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson
Craig:  look what you started.
 
I figger this thread was not what you expected and more.

In the future, I'll be careful not to give props to people for contributing really useful stuff, even though I particularly feel people like kperry and azslow who do actual programming to benefit the community deserve a big pat on the back...as do the people who contribute tips. But I guess forums shouldn't be about tips and helping others. Silly me!

I was referring to the original topic and the first couple of pages of commiseration.
 
 

Susan G
Hi-
 
I think the level of helpfulness here is about the same as always (i.e., very high)! I think the "personality" of the SONAR forum has changed somewhat, though. I wasn't around when the forum hosts were first added and some of the subforums created. I'm not crazy about the tone/content of some of the forum hosts' posts, esp. when they say they like or respect certain members or particularly value their input, yada-yada, or argue ad infinitum a single point to make sure they're seen as "right."  It shouldn't matter whether a host "likes" or "respects" a forum member when they're applying the rules, IMO.
 
Maybe they're in an untenable position as members *and* hosts, but it seems to me they should try to be objective and leave out the subjective stuff, if possible.
 
-Susan

I think you misinterpret the post I made. I know you have taken it out of context. Nor have you considered the outcome.  

konradh
I think the forum is still fun as well as being helpful.
 
I am, however, working on a program that will auto-reply to every post with a comment about Staff View.  Once I get that running, I will start work on an automatic which-DAW-is-best thread generator.

...And colours. That always bemuses me....Can I sign up to your auto reply app please?

Whew.   I read nearly all.   what resonated most:  volunteer moderators, don't move posts, don't criticize them, just let the rest of us read and ponder .... please.