scook
The label will likely change before the function of the knob. I would suggest looking for another solution to gain staging issues. If the audio gain knob is required, do not use instrument tracks.

that is a terrible solution.   What if I want to use Instrument tracks until mixdown?   

Doktor Avalanche
They can't have it both ways.

Sure they can, it is their software and it works as documented. The control pointed to by A is described as "Velocity Trim" refer to http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=Inspectors.3.html#1220713

scook

Doktor Avalanche
They can't have it both ways.

Sure they can, it is their software and it works as documented. The control pointed to by A is described as "Velocity Trim" refer to http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=Inspectors.3.html#1220713

so then why is it labelled "Gain"?

Fair enough.
 
a) If it's documented that way (as it is)
b) When you hover your mouse over it it doesn't state anything other than "Velocity Trim"
c) There are no other labels around that indicate this anything other than  "Velocity Trim"
 
....then I totally agree.
 
If there is something indicating it's something else other than this, that is the specific bug. I haven't checked to be honest. Is there any issue with mislabelling?

alewgro
so then why is it labelled "Gain"?

All the knobs at that location are labelled "Gain" and the documentation shows it that way. As mentioned above, the values shown reflect the change in function from audio to MIDI.

OK all fair enough, but the bigger topic is - SHOULDN'T the knob be a GAIN knob?

I mean velocity is a weird knob to be up there.   Especially with a lot of synths, velocity can really change the tonal quality of the sound.   I feel the design is not optimal and doesn't make any sense.  It SHOULD be a Gain knob for users like me to like to stay in MIDI until pretty much the mastering phase.

Gain means amplification at the input. Velocity almost always affects the loudness of a patch, and it works at the input to the synth; ergo, it's not unreasonable to think of this as MIDI "Gain". My only real complaint is that I think a Simple Instrument track should have Audio Gain on the audio tab in the Inspector, and MIDI Gain on the MIDI tab, but it has MIDI Gain on both.
 
I'm not sure why it wasn't implemented this way in the first place, but it wasn't so it would be a feature request now. And although I don't think that calling Velocity Offset "Gain" is unreasonable, in a perfect world, I'd prefer to see that control labeled Vel+.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I'm probably missing something (because I haven't tried it)....
 
Consider this theoretical scenario...
 
* A stop button is labelled as record in the documentation.
* When you press the stop button it goes into record mode even though clearly there is a stop icon you are pressing and nothing goes red.
 
The only way there isn't an issue is if the documentation says it's a stop button and it behaves and looks like a stop button. Or the documentation states it's a record button, and behaves and looks like a record button. All of those conditions need to be fulfilled not just one or two of them. An egg is an egg not a chicken thing. If the behaviour is by design then there is a bug in the design.
 
If there's anything labelled "gain" and really it's "Velocity Trim" then that's the issue right there regardless of documentation. I don't have Sonar in front of me to validate so I don't know whether this is the case or not.

alewgro
OK all fair enough, but the bigger topic is - SHOULDN'T the knob be a GAIN knob?

It appears to be working as documented. If you want it to work in a different way, that is feature request country. It is not a problem for me, I am not as rigid in my use of instrument tracks. I use them sometimes; sometimes I don't. I believe it is even possible to split the track, make an audio gain adjustment and join the tracks again. Then again, I might just drop an empty FX chain at the top of the FX bin or PC and use it instead.

scook
It appears to be working as documented. If you want it to work in a different way, that is feature request country. It is not a problem for me, I am not as rigid in my use of instrument tracks. I use them sometimes; sometimes I don't. I believe it is even possible to split the track, make an audio gain adjustment and join the tracks again. Then again, I might just drop an empty FX chain at the top of the FX bin or PC and use it instead.

If the "Mute Button" acted as a "Solo" button, but documented that way - that's ok?  just because its documented, doesn't make it right OR functional.