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2015/05/21 10:56:45
brundlefly
subtlearts
I was checking this very thing out the other day - before reading this thread - and basically found the control useless as it is - what appears to be a numerical - as opposed to proportional - MIDI velocity offset. Turn it down low enough and the lowest-velocity notes in the track stop sounding at all, as they have an effective velocity of zero. How is that useful? Unless I'm wrong, but that's how it seems to me.



Yes, Velocity Offset is just a fixed value that's added to the stored value of each event on playback; it doesn't scale them proportionally. Used over a narrow range, it can be useful to quickly add or subtract a small amount of velocity to change the timbre of a synth patch or avoid crossing over to an undesirable velocity-switched sample.
 
It certainly would be more useful in a lot of cases if it scaled values proportionally; I think the fact that it does a simple offset it probably a holdover from ancient sequencer history where an offset was easier to implement and/or developers just hadn't thought to make it proportional. If you changed it now, it would have to be a per-project mode, or it would alter the sound of existing projects that used it. The necessity for backward compatibility is one of the things that keeps stuff like this from evolving.
2015/05/21 11:07:59
brundlefly
alewgro
I never claimed that this was a HUGE deal, did I?

 
The sheer volume, stridency and acrimony of your posts on the subject make it seem that you do find it to be a huge deal. This is a good example:
 

I just think its poor customer service to say something is "working as is" but clearly labeled wrong, and on top of that  - no thought process is being given to exactly WHAT that knob should do.

 

Right now it is acting as a CC# adjustment knob, which is kinda pointless.

 
This is not accurate. Velocity is a property of note events, not a Continuous Controller. If you're going to impugn the thoughtfulness of developers you'd better keep your own thoughts very precise.
 
As I anticipated, this thread has a high stink/value ratio. i would encourage you to just enter your feature requests(s) and move on.
 
 
 
 
 
 




2015/05/21 11:15:50
AT
alewgro
AT
Well, that does it.  This means I con't use SONAR at all.  Gain, Volume and Velocity?  I'm so confused.  Not only that, I think I'll delete all my files since my old songs aren't labeled properly.  Thanks guys (and girls!).
 
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what a stupid post.  Are you saying that unless something is of utmost urgency we cant post about it?  I never claimed that this was a HUGE deal, did I?
 
I just think its poor customer service to say something is "working as is" but clearly labeled wrong, and on top of that  - no thought process is being given to exactly WHAT that knob should do.

Right now it is acting as a CC# adjustment knob, which is kinda pointless.




 
No, carry on.  Up to 3 pages now and no biggie; in fact a pointless problem according to your own statements.  But don't let it go and carry on with your uber-intelligent posts.  It is just fascinating. 
 
cordially,
 
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2015/05/21 11:45:55
Kamikaze
If someone goes through all the tedious effort to log a an issue and it's then dismissed, I can understand their dismay at then being fobbed off.
 
I have found an issue with Raptur Pro in stand alone mode that makes it unusable, but after previous efforts logging issues and dealing with emails that show they haven't even read what I wrote (asking questions that I have already provided answers to). I can't be bothered. I don't need Rapture pro in stand alone, so I won't waste my time trying to get it fixed. There feels little reward it trying to do so.  
2015/05/21 12:43:46
Doktor Avalanche
That's IT!!!! That's IT!!!!! REALLY I'VE HAD ENOUGH!!!! IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!
 
ARGHHHHHH!!!!
 
I'm going back to using tape recorder ! 
2015/05/21 13:19:54
John
I think AT and Brundlefly have a point. The OP has made his point now all that is left is to contact CW to have this fixed. Posting endlessly will do nothing.  
2015/05/21 13:26:42
rabeach
my understanding of the "gain" control in sonar is it allows for the adjustment of the fader without having to rewrite you fader automation. sort of a pre-fader fader control. it does not behave as a gain control only your pre-amp on your audio card can function that way. 
2015/05/21 13:40:02
John
rabeach
my understanding of the "gain" control in sonar is it allows for the adjustment of the fader without having to rewrite you fader automation. sort of a pre-fader fader control. it does not behave as a gain control only your pre-amp on your audio card can function that way. 


Wouldn't that be Offset mode? Gain is for adjusting the incoming signal to a track. This can be helpful to prevent overloading an FX. 
2015/05/21 13:48:43
Kamikaze
John
I think AT and Brundlefly have a point. The OP has made his point now all that is left is to contact CW to have this fixed. Posting endlessly will do nothing. 
 

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?
 
EDIT: Previously quoted the wrong post
2015/05/21 13:50:46
John
Kamikaze
John
rabeach
my understanding of the "gain" control in sonar is it allows for the adjustment of the fader without having to rewrite you fader automation. sort of a pre-fader fader control. it does not behave as a gain control only your pre-amp on your audio card can function that way. 


Wouldn't that be Offset mode? Gain is for adjusting the incoming signal to a track. This can be helpful to prevent overloading an FX. 


Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?


Sorry I don't get your comment? 
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