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2015/05/18 11:34:53
BobF
I have no stronger affiliation with anyone at Cakewalk than any of the rest of you.  I'm just an impartial, non-Staff View user with an idea on how to present a clean, prioritized list of fix requests to Cakewalk.  I will take your input and compile a list of specific Staff View fix requests you're looking for, presented in order by the number of individual requests for each item.  Once compiled, we can send this Cakewalk for consideration. 
 
IMO this will accomplish two things; a) it will provide the Cakewalk team with a prioritized list of outstanding Staff View items that need attention from the user perspective.   b) the total number of submitters and counts for each item will provide a clear picture of just how many people are impacted by these items.  This might not accomplish much on a resolution timeline, but I don't see how the clearer picture that should result from this process could possibly hurt anything.
 
This will be easier (for me) to manage via email.  Please send your 1 .. n (no ties) list (please keep n <= 10) to bobf8332 AT gmail DOT com.
 
I'll prepare the list in order of number of requests, along with the number of requests made for each item.  I will periodically update the list and post it in this thread.
 
Am I crazy? 
2015/05/18 11:44:15
Kamikaze
I believe this is the list Craig took to Cake, but cake haven't publicly responded to it.
 
1.  Ensure that the snap-function works correctly.  When selecting a 16th note, the snap should move by that amount (with an override option of course).   Same with all note values.   Now, a smaller note value will cancel out Sonar's ability to snap to larger note values.
 
2.  Tied and dotted triplets, 32nd note triplets and 64th notes should display correctly.
 
3.  When screensets are used and switched back and forth, the order of the instruments in the staff view track pane becomes confused.
 
4.  When trying to open a note's properties when that note is on the first space or below the the staff, it doesn't always work easily.
 
5 . Note icons back in SV
 
2015/05/18 11:52:55
Doktor Avalanche
> Am I crazy?  
 
You are definitely crazy  but I think this can be an extremely productive thread as long as the specific problems are discussed. As far as the Cakewalk side of things (i.e. the opinion that they haven't dealt with the issues in timely manner) may I strongly suggest that would probably be best left to the other thread which has become so large it's ceased to become productive.

Good idea anyway! Thankyou for being productive.
2015/05/18 11:58:30
BobF
Kamikaze
I believe this is the list Craig took to Cake, but cake haven't publicly responded to it.
 
1.  Ensure that the snap-function works correctly.  When selecting a 16th note, the snap should move by that amount (with an override option of course).   Same with all note values.   Now, a smaller note value will cancel out Sonar's ability to snap to larger note values.

2.  Tied and dotted triplets, 32nd note triplets and 64th notes should display correctly.

3.  When screensets are used and switched back and forth, the order of the instruments in the staff view track pane becomes confused.

4.  When trying to open a note's properties when that note is on the first space or below the the staff, it doesn't always work easily.

5 . Note icons back in SV




This is intended to be an extension of that list, compiled from a larger group of users with a stake in Staff View.
2015/05/18 12:08:21
michael diemer
Bob, I sent you my list via email per your instructions.
2015/05/18 21:30:37
TomHelvey
Kamikaze

1.  Ensure that the snap-function works correctly.  When selecting a 16th note, the snap should move by that amount (with an override option of course).   Same with all note values.   Now, a smaller note value will cancel out Sonar's ability to snap to larger note values.


The snap needs to be independent of note duration. If it isn't, you would never be able to enter a series of dotted eighth notes or a half note on 2. Fixing the problem as suggested above would break it even worse that it is now.


2015/05/18 21:44:31
mettelus
BobF
 
Am I crazy? 




Only if you keep doing the same things repeatedly and expect a different result (Alex beat me to the punch, but couldn't resist temptation!)
2015/05/18 22:00:14
Kamikaze
I agree Tom. I was posting the list of 5 things that Craig took to cake, if you look at the post I took this from, you'll see I also said the same thing
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3189561
2015/05/19 08:28:01
jatoth
Isn't that horse dead enough yet?
In my case it's been 7 years
 
mettelus
BobF
 
Am I crazy? 




Only if you keep doing the same things repeatedly and expect a different result (Alex beat me to the punch, but couldn't resist temptation!)




I guess you can call me crazy too.
2015/05/19 13:26:46
williamcopper
I took a quick look at staff view today.    It's better, maybe, than it used to be, but there is so much that just looks bad.   These things are not on your list, but they are what anyone who is accustomed to music scores sees instantly.  
 
Beams:  always flat
Enharmonics: frequently wrong, and not easy to change (the only way I found is to call up the Note Properties dialog, highlight the pitch field, and type in the correct name.)
Stem length: for notes with ledger lines, comically short.
 
Interface things:
-- That flashing thing that shows where your mouse pointer is, in time, notes, and midi number?    Good grief.  I can see a beginner liking it, but I really do not want a flashing thing that is fixed in place and does not follow the cursor.    Could not find a way to disable it.  
-- Need the option to have staff names 'float' ... it's completely impractical to go back to the beginning to remind yourself which is the trumpet and which the horn; likewise key signatures and perhaps time signatures need a float option. 
 
More subtle things, one could live with them:
-- Spacing is pretty crude, vertical and horizontal. 
-- Combine tracks onto a staff?  This may be possible, but I didn't see a way to do it.   Very helpful in compressing an instrument, divided up in order to get articulations, but back together for the musical line. 
-- "hairpin" the only option for the hundreds of things one might put into a score .. 
-- "pedal" for all tracks, even the trumpets and horns? 
 -- the horizontal band under staves ... is that for placement of dynamics and hairpins?  very bad idea.  And it appears that once it is put on, it won't go away.    Consider this: staff lines are horizontal lines, there are five of them.    With those bands, two more are placed in 'ledger-line' area ... making for a very hard to read version of even a simple score.
 
 
 
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