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  • convert audio to midi?
2009/04/17 23:11:16
JV1
Is there a way to convert audio (of my voice singing single notes) to midi? I'm a much better singer than trumpet player or keyboardist guitarist, etc., but can sing with ease. It would be great to sing trumpet riffs, record them as audio, convert the audio to midi, then use trumpet in soft synths to play them back. You could do this for about any single-note instrument. I would think making use of V-Vocal to lock in the pitches would be a first step, what's the next? Any ideas out there?
2009/04/17 23:18:39
CJaysMusic
Try V-vocal or audio snap. dont think it will work perfectly. TRy the PRV for entering midi. click click click and click will get you a great trumpet sound.
Cj
2009/04/18 00:26:05
JV1
Thanx CJ,

Could you please elaborate a bit more? I think you are saying I can view the notes in VVocal and then still need to enter each note separately on a midi track, (click, click, click...). That's what I'm trying to avoid. I have a Roland VG99 but I find to many accidental notes creep in and I tend to do the same riffs over and over. Singing frees me from my redundant guitaring.

I have the Melodyne Plugin, could that be used?
2009/04/18 00:50:21
JV1
I just went to the Celemony website and they do have 2 versions of their software that do an audio to midi conversion. Of course, it's not the version I own (Melodyne Plugin). I'll download the demo and give it a try.
2009/04/18 01:58:40
WDI
V-Vocal has pitch to midi. It should be in the help file. Basically, there is an icon in V-Vocal that allows you to drag it to a midi track.

EDIT:

V-Vocal does claim to do pitch to midi. However, I tried it and it sounds absolutely horrible. I've wanted to double some vocals using pitch to midi and then use a soft synth. I tried the demo of Digital Ear. It did a great job of converting a small portion of a wave file to midi and it was very easy. However, it is not free and it's interface is a little lacking. But if all you want to do is convert audio to midi it seemed to do a great job. I probably would not use it enough to justify the $130 cost.

Roland should really check out Digital Ear and see what pitch to midi should sound like. Not sure what Cakewalk was thinking when they claimed V-Vocal could do pitch to midi. It will give you something, just nothing close to what the audio track sounded like. LOL. In fact it's so bad, they shouldn't even have ever added it.
2009/04/18 08:41:12
JV1
Thanx for the tip and I'm happy to say V-Vocal seems to do a decent job. I downloaded the Melodyne demo but it only seems to work outside of Sonar which is a hassle. I'll fool around some more with V-Vocal audio to midi, but so far it sounds like I can actually play a sax. It evens preserves the minute volume changes decently. FYI - I have a newer HP laptop with Vista 32 bit and it seems to run fine.
2009/04/19 02:14:24
WDI
Just curious what your procedure was using V-Vocal pitch to midi? Perhaps I did something wrong? Every time I've tried it, the resulting midi didn't even remotely resemble the audio file. All that I did was enable V-Vocal on a vocal track that had no bleed and dragged the pitch to midi button to a midi track.
2009/04/19 07:32:45
Danny Danzi
WDI, I do it the same as you....but here is where you have to be careful. Because V Vocal does not have midi filtering options like some of those wave to midi programs etc, you have to be extra careful with your signal. For example, if you have any effects running on a track, kill them because the effects will be handled as additional midi notes. Reverbs, delays, distortion on a guitar, pick attack, fret noise....all that stuff can become midi artifacts as you probably know. When I have a very clean un-effected signal of something, V-Vocal to midi works pretty good for me. I of course have to get rid of a few ghost notes, but the better my performance, the better IT performs. :)
2009/04/19 11:42:18
dariunas
Just as a sidenote, I believe Melodyne comes in both VST and stand-alone flavours, though I think this was a relatively new implementation of its use (and a much wanted one me thinks)
2009/04/19 13:30:33
WDI
Well, I did actually read the help file on V-Vocal Pitch to Midi and added pitch bend which help conciderably. OK, thats mud on my face. LOL
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