Hi Gang...

Ok, I installed Dorchester last night and did some quick tests...

Z-drag zoom appears to be working with hidden folders at last... Or it seems so far...

As to zooming Lanes? I think it's better, but still trapped by the lane zoom height limit... I only had a two lane track to test with and though it was more realistic zooming the correct time range, it also appears to fit all lanes instead of the single lane chosen... Why don't the Bakers get it? We don't always need/want to see all the Lanes! Nice for vamping, but when editing clips individually, this is horrible!

Why is this such an issue for them to acknowledge and address?

Keni

Yes, vertical zoom is indeed fixed with hidden folders (hooray!) but there's a slightly annoying bug where after it zooms correctly, a fraction of a second later it zooms in horizontally slightly more, so if you're going for a particular zoom factor to see something, it kind of messes that up.
 
Can someone else confirm this before I fire off a bug report? I don't want it to be some kind of left over key binding of mine that's skewing the results.
 
EDIT: Yeah, I see what you mean about the take lanes thing, Keni. Kind of annoying.

Lord Tim
Yes, vertical zoom is indeed fixed with hidden folders (hooray!) but there's a slightly annoying bug where after it zooms correctly, a fraction of a second later it zooms in horizontally slightly more, so if you're going for a particular zoom factor to see something, it kind of messes that up.
 
Can someone else confirm this before I fire off a bug report? I don't want it to be some kind of left over key binding of mine that's skewing the results.
 
EDIT: Yeah, I see what you mean about the take lanes thing, Keni. Kind of annoying.

Hi Tim...

I didn't notice such action but honestly I was quickly in and out with limited time last night... I'll look again today/tonight...

Lanes have been a nasty issue for me since their implementation... Yes I know of the benefits they have brought but the fundamental needs for me are poor!

Keni

I would desparately like some better options in regards to lane management. This means height control (of individual lanes... not all or nothing which has been the case since their inception), full minimization (instead on min lane height which is silly), an "Auto Lane Zoom" feature similar to the one for tracks (which I never use because... well it's annoying but would be AWESOME for Lanes... especially if it obeyed linked clips)... and most importantly... I want to be able to HIDE lanes!!!!
 
I do a massive amount of takes and I absolutely LOVE lanes but they could be soooooo much better with some of that type of uber control.
 
Anyhoo... I've brought this stuff up before but it's all worth mentioning again. Really though I just saw you post Keni and I wanted to thank you for your effeorts in my thread the other day. I've been meaning to reply but things have been batnuts around here. I'll update it soon. I've got some cool workarounds for the noise reduct stuff you may find interesting.
 
Cheers... and yeah, let's toss Lanes back in the oven for a bit hopefully sometime this year.

Keni, maybe this has been suggested before, but if Take Lanes are such a problem/bother, then don't use them. Record your takes to different tracks instead of lanes.
 
I just did a test and I got four trks recorded in loop recording and they were all on separate tracks.
 
Just trying to offer some help here.
 
I love take lanes and the speed comping. Track hight when you have a lot of takes does get, how would I say this, "less than desirable." But other than that I love em!
 
However, I do very little actual editing of take lanes. If I am using them (take lanes), I comp them, collapse them, freeze them, and that's it. If I need to edit that version, I just copy and paste the frozen track to a new track and do what I want. And after I do that I have even gone back and created a new version of the comp and see which I like better.
 
I just don't see us being saddled with Take Lanes if we don't want to use them.

Thanks Guys...

Beepster... Always glad to help if I can...

The way I edit, I need the clips on separate anythings so that I can design any needed crossfades and the likes. I also frequently need to do micro-editing to maintain clean fluidity when comping... Personally I don't like having the extra area where the track is to display what I select in the lanes... That's what closing the layers/lanes is for. It totally throws off my eye for identifying things with an extra useless display to confuse things. That was a feature of Layers that I preferred... Within the track instead of below...

With my own comping style, I still work as I did before comping was given to us except the occasions when I have to comp a drum track where it is very handy...

The minimum/maximum zooms for lanes reminds me of living in the suburbs... Never enough city or country... ;-) middle ground doesn't work for me as I need the two extremes more! I need more lanes on screen at one time or a single lane... The current limits completely miss both of these options... Usually when working I don't have the need to spend lots of time writing notes for each take/lane though occassionally it's handy. So I'd prefer they coukd get smaller as well as bigger...

But at least the zoom now works a little... I'm still wasting too much time fighting with zoom adjustments in between actual edits... It's very disconcerting...

Grem... Thanks for the suggestion, I've tried working with all separate tracks instead, but the duplicity of plugin's and the cpu load that added are unwieldy...

If the Bakers would simply address these issues, I could live with Lanes more comfortably... Right now the are a necessary evil for me... Better than when first implemented, but still a bad sore spot...

I'm about to post another related thread with Lanes and my other nemesis, the event filter...

Keni

When you started explaining about how you edit, I remembered and had a  "Oh Yeah" moment! I think we have had this discussion before, at least once, maybe several times now!! LOL!!

Yeah... I would expect so as these have been major issues for me since Lanes we're introduced...

These issue are far more constant to my work than are all the benefits of Lanes over Layers...

We had Layers for so long and even with their shortcomings, improved my workflow tremendously. Losing so much of that for features not of much importance to me really put a crimp on things for me... I currently do spend far too much time fidgeting with and constantly readjusting zooms between edits...

Lanes and the event filter have slowed me down far too much... And along with the slower work, I often lose track of what I'm doing in the process of adjusting views... <sigh>

Well.. At least track zoom is back to working... That's a big step in the right direction. ...and though I'm still having too many issues with Lanes, they have improved little by little. I hope I live long enough to see them emerge as a fully comfortable scenario (for me)... ;-)

At least the Control Bar is now holding its settings... Along with the new Control Bar features I'm feeling a lot better!

Thanks for being helpful!

Keni

I've just checked zoom tool's improved behavior in Dorchester and actually think the issue is fixed (as far as what the tool is supposed to do, which is zooming correctly, is concerned). Dragging on just non-current tracks still zooms incorrectly when Auto Track Zoom is enabled, but the user just needs to make the desired track a current track before dragging. As for Take lanes not zooming fully (to fit the entire Clips pane), it's just because of the lane's max height limitation. I'm sure the Bakers are thinking of improving and fixing Take lanes heavily at some point in the near future. The top 2 issues for me regarding Take lanes are 1) they can't be as slim as tracks, and 2) there's no way to make muted clips disappear from the parent track when the lanes are collapsed. I've been asking for these to be addresed ever since the feature was implemented, but nothing's happened to them so far. So, I think we should really appreciate this zoom tool fix in Dorchester.
 
Btw, I posted a FR to hide all muted lanes (when the lanes are expanded), but only 1 user voted, so I think not many are unhappy with the current Take lane implementation.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Ability-to-solo-multiple-Take-lanes-in-the-track-and-hide-all-muted-lanes-at-once-m3200146.aspx#3200146
 

Yeah I am with you Keni, Layers were an improvement, however I hate take lanes! they are a time consuming pain.
And they seem to happen without my even knowing sometimes, causing all sorts of headaches.
If I want an extra track I will create one, its that simple, it always has been.
Why complicate it???