Hi everyone!
 
I confess to being a 'fly by the seat of my pants' Sonar Producer Edition 6 user.  What I mean by that, is that I have always have managed to get it to work the way I wanted it to work, by twiddling with it enough. But right now, I'm stuck and hope you might be able to help.  I'm currently using a Yamaha Motif ES8 with the mLan16e interface installed as my 'soundcard'. I play both the acoustic guitar and piano.  
 
Here is my primary issue:  If I attempt to record an audio track in Sonar with my acoustic guitar and my voice using the built-in Sonar metronome, the metronome always ends up on my audio track as well. How do I prevent that from happening, other than simply 'not using the metronome'?   I'm sure it has to do with the way I'm setting things up, but I haven't a clue why I can't prevent it from happening.  Perhaps there is something very simple I'm missing in the way I have it set up.  If any of you can help, I will be extremely appreciative. Here is how I set up:
 
mLan AutoConnector
Model Name:  MOTIF ES 8
Sample Rate:  96 kHz
Wordclock master:  PC is checked
PC -> MOTIF ES:  8 CH
PC <- MOTIF ES: 14 CH
MAIN OUT: 2 CH
 
Sonar 'Track Properties' for my audio track for acoustic guitar:
Input: Stereo ASIO mLAN 15
Output:  Master
Channel: disabled     Bank:  disabled
Bank Selected method:  disabled      Patch:  Disabled
 
 
Sonar 'Track Properties' of the track I use for drums:
Input:  mLAN MIDI In - Ch. 10
Output: 1-mLAN MIDI Out
Channel:  none       Bank:  0
Bank Select Method: Normal*             Patch: none
 
Lastly, I only use headphones because the speakers aren't exactly hooked up*. I currently use Sony MDR 7506 headphones. 

* I do have a small Roland AC-60 amp for my guitar and microphone. But this is being used really as a simple mixing board so that I can plug my guitar and my microphone into that device. The audio out from that amp, goes directly into my Yamaha Motif through the 'A/D inputs' in the back of machine.

I do not use a microphone to record my guitar. My guitar is a high end Taylor acoustic that has electronics already in the guitar that send the audio by phone jack, which in this case is plugged into my Roland AC-60 amp.

The reason why this issue is important to me, is because I sometimes like to new start projects, with the guitar. And I want to use the metronome, so my timing is kept tighter while I'm singing and playing the guitar into one audio track. That allows me to more easily play with the concept and add embellishments, etc, so I can make a rough draft that's not too bad.  
 
 If you know what I'm doing wrong, your advice will be very helpful.   Thanks in advance!
 
Richard
 
 

It would have nice if I had written a decent headline for the issue I'm having.  I guess I'm a little tired. Sorry about that.  Obviously, what I meant to say in the subject line was:
 

Why do I always get the Sonar Metronome in my audio track?

 

Having phones of open type spread through room and into mikes.
One thing is to use closed phones and that pretty good attenuation into outside room - Sennheiser HD280 or similar.
 
Then how loud do you really need metronome to be, is the next thing.

You can edit the thread heading. Simply click in it.

As to your problem. I'm trying to think back to Sonar 6.


Are you using a microphone to record the guitar? If you are you'll need to wear earphones to keep the metronome out to of your recoding.

If not then just turn off record metronome in preferences. I'm not sure anymore where the prefs menu was in Sonar 6 but I remember there were global and project preferences.

Hi Mike,
 
Thank you for both the editing tip on using this forum, and for taking the time to respond to my question. I realized while reading your post, that I needed to add something to the 'set up information' I originally posted, so I went ahead and updated my original post to reflect that.
 
Here is what I added in italics:
 
I only use headphones because the speakers aren't exactly hooked up*. I currently use Sony MDR 7506 headphones.  
 
* = I do have a small Roland AC-60 amp for my guitar and microphone.  This is being used more as a simple mixing board so that I can plug both my guitar in, and my microphone.  The audio out from that amp, goes directly into my Yamaha Motif through the 'A/D inputs' in the back of machine.
 
I do not use a microphone to record my guitar. My guitar is a high end Taylor acoustic that has electronics already in the guitar that send the audio by phone jack, which in this case is plugged into my Roland AC-60 amp.
 
As part of the creative process, I sometimes like to start projects, with the guitar. And I want to use the metronome, so my timing is kept tighter while I'm singing and playing the guitar into one audio track. That allows me to more easily play with the concept and add embellishments, etc, so I can make a rough draft that's not too bad.
 
Anyway, I hope that provides better insight.  Thanks again!
 
Rich
 
 

Maybe it's not actually being recorded, but rather isn't turning off during playback. You do have an option to enable the metronome during playback. I don't have S6 installed anymore but I think the menus are the same as in 8.5, in which it's a project option (Tools -> Options -> Project Options -> Metronome tab).

-Also make sure your metronome buss has no aux sends turned on and the output is assigned directly to your soundcard and NOT the track you are recording to or the Main/Master output.

Thanks bitflipper!
 
It actually is getting recorded onto the audio track. Here's why I know that:  when I have the metronome in record mode, and I start the project recording (with the metronome audibly running as I want it to) if I choose to dead quiet while it's recording,  I can see the audio meter of my audio track rise and fall significantly with each click.  So it's getting recorded. It's written on the wave.  (that sounds kind of poetic).

Steev,  thank you for your suggestion.  I will look to see if my metronome buss output is assigned directly to my soundcard and NOT the Main/Master output.  But it's now 5 am, and I haven't gone to sleep yet so I am going to look at this again tomorrow.  Thanks again.
 

Richard H
 
 
Sonar 'Track Properties' for my audio track for acoustic guitar:
Input: Stereo ASIO mLAN 15
Output:  Master
Channel: disabled     Bank:  disabled
Bank Selected method:  disabled      Patch:  Disabled
 

 
I suspect this is where your problem is.  I'm not an mLAN expert, but in your mLAN setup, you likely have the OUTPUT of the computer set up to be an INPUT to the computer (basically the same thing as recording "What You Hear" on a soundblaster or realtek soundcard).  I would suggest you check your mLAN setup nodes to see if you have the output routed as an input.