Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]

or page up page down keys.

There's your keyboard commands beeps!!

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
We have had scrolling support in the Inspector for several versions. You can use the mouse wheel or page up page down keys. I don't anticipate adding further support because you have a broken mouse wheel :)

I currently use the Page Up/Down keys to scroll the Inspector. This would not be so bad if it always worked.
 
Try this...
 
Insert the PC2A module into the Prochannel.
Now click in the grey on the PC2A.
Try using the PageUp/Down keys to scroll.
 
It doesn't work. This is true of many newer and/or addon modules. This makes it so I am constantly having to minimize modules to show ones that actually do allow scrolling which is pretty annoying when trying to focus on other stuff.
 
The other problem is that using PageUp/Down scrolls in increments that don't always put modules in full view. So something like the QuadCurve will be cut off either at the top or bottom unless I do more module minimizing.
 
And as I mentioned it is very easy to accidentally click on a paramater (especially in the QuadCurve because things are so close together) and then screw up a setting. I think this is true when using a proper scroll wheel as well but it has been a while since I've had a mouse hooked up.
 
Anyway, I appreciate your popping in (seriously) but that is a little disheartening especially considering the idea does seem to have some support amongst my fellow users. I know this may seem frivolous/whiny and eventually I'll replace my trackball but we have scrollbars for almost everything else (as do most programs). It's just weird that this one very crucial part of the program doesn't have it or the option to show one and when you lack a scroll wheel (or you aren't used to scroll wheels... I never use them because I never use mice... they irritate my muscle/tendon problems) it becomes a pretty noticeable problem.
 
Not trying to give you a hard time... just giving you the full picture to hopefully get you to reconsider. If it's a flat no then I guess I'll have to deal with it.
 
Thanks for listening.

BTW... it doesn't even have to be a full sized scroll bar. It could be one of those super slim ones. I'm looking at the PC right now and the right border that separates the Inspector from the Track Pane has more than enough room to put a scrolling option.
 
Cheers.
 

Here's a list of PC Modules I have installed that don't allow scrolling using PageUp/Down keys. Might help you guys hunt down what's causing it...
 
PC2A
PC4K Expander/Gate
Rematrix Solo
Console Emulator
Softube Saturation Knob
Tape Emulator
Breverb 2
Concrete Limiter (and with the CL it seems if you accidentally click on a control the only way to deactivate it is by clicking in another module completely... Just clicking in grayspace inside the CL does not remove the selection)
 
Might be helpful. Might not be.
 
Cheers.

Beepster

Here's a list of PC Modules I have installed that don't allow scrolling using PageUp/Down keys. Might help you guys hunt down what's causing it...

Now this may be helpful. I am thinking (assuming) that Noel doesn't know this. He may think that Page Up/Down works as expected for all modules.

Not at home to give this a try. I might not get a chance tonight when I get home because of Mothers' Day ( Happy Mothers Day to all the ladies here).

But I want to see if this page up/down works on my PC.

That'd be great, Grem. Pretty sure it's not just on my system. I'm guess that the newer modules are just missing some code that allows it to work. Probably has to do with the PC containers... not the plugs themselves.
 
BTW... PageUp/Down does work on the FX Chain module which strikes me as interesting/potentially helpful. It is newer than the Softube Sat and PC4K modules so perhaps there is a clue in the code somewhere.
 
Of course the only coding I do is simple webcode (HTML/CSS) so I am certainly not qualified to make any real assumptions.
 
Cheers.

I also think it would be nice if I could use the up/down arrow keys to navigate the Inspector so I could get finer scrolling. Currently though those keys navigate and activate parameters for editing in the Inspector. Maybe the Left/Right arrows would be a better option because they do not seem to do anything within the Inspector (as far as I can tell... even if a paramater is selcted for editing).
 
Cheers.
 

I can confirm this - I've checked a number of your 'unsupported' modules and yes, clicking in any of them seems to disable page+/- scrolling in the inspector, until you click on a 'supported' module - and not the title bar, you have to click in the module itself.
 
Also, yes, if there were some way to get finer control with left/right arrows, or some other modifier key, it would be nice - the page+/- keys seem pretty extreme if you have a bunch of modules enabled.
 
Mind you I usually use the mouse wheel, or two fingers on a trackpad, or my trackball hack (it's called Marble Mouse Scroll Wheel, for anyone else using a Logitech Marble Mouse and wishing they had wheel functionality. Old, unsupported, but still works here on Win8.1 x64). But options are nice:
 
Beepster I also have RSI issues with input devices - hence my plethora of choices. I find that switching around a lot keeps it at bay. I make my living playing piano (as a performer), so I can't afford problems. I have a mouse at my left hand, which I am getting better at using, and a trackball and a trackpad (and a Contour Shuttle Express) on the right side. I find if I use any one of them too much it starts to cause trouble, but constant switching helps.

Here at work my computer and mouse are on my left side of the console. So I have gotten really good at using a mouse with my left hand! It was hard at first, but I have gotten surprisingly use to it!!

@subtlearts... Thanks for confirming and sorry to hear about your pain issues. They can be extremely limiting in ways many people can't comprehend unless they experience them themselves. As a musician it is indeed even more alarming/frustrating. As someone who worked heavy labor for most of his career I never thought just moving a cursor around a screen could be so painful but alas... it happens.
 
I am mostly on my laptop using the trackpad and at the DAW I have the trackball (Kensington Expert mouse which is awesome). Both of those are much more ergonomic designs than the old mouse. Not even sure why mice became the standard. It's an odd premise to actually have to clutch and move something with your whole hand/arm instead of just dancing around with one's fingers. I have big hands too and when I switched to doing a lot of computer work after my body gave out my workstation had a mouse. Using it for 8+ hours a day would leave my hand in a claw (I have big, lanky hands). My right shoulder goes out sometimes too (rotator cuff I think from swinging hammers and lifting/moving/bracing stuff) so even those tiny movements become pretty much impossible. My fingers work though and the trackball is very sensitive so with a flick of my index finger I'm right where I need to be. I can be almost completely motionless and still get stuff done.
 
That still does occasionally cause other issues in my forearms (tendonitus that burns like a bugger in the middle of the night if I overdo it) but it's WAY better than a mouse and gives me more time with my guitar (I have to plan my guitar time very carefully because I can only do so much before my back, shoulders or arms go nuts on me).
 
Anyway, I guess I didn't really want this to be about my own physical limitations. It's just a program quirk that I'd like to see fixed but it might provide even extra insight to the Bakers as to how some of us work (and are forced to work) and how even little things can seem mountainous when one's body ain't quite as operational as others.
 
This is why I wholly sympathize with some of the Color Options folks like Guitarpima (where is he BTW) who have visual issues and require extra contrast to work.
 
Cheers and good health to you (and everyone).