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2015/05/08 09:51:19
jkoseattle
When I have session drummer open and am selecting sounds to put in all the kit pieces, I will go through the Media Browser in Sonar until I find a sound I like (such as "Tight Kit Dry Snare 01.flac"), and then I'll drag that sound from the Media Browser right onto the drum itself in Session Drummer. Pretty slick.  What I don't understand is that when I right click on the drum I see a drop down with (in the case of the snare) four sounds associated with four midi notes. 37, 38, 39 and 40 (side stick, snare, hand clap, electric snare). This is good, I can put a side stick on 37 as it indicates, and a full snare on 38, etc. But when I drag the sound to the drum, that single sound replaces all four midi notes. How do I get so that I can audition sounds in the Media Browser, and then apply one of those sounds to only a single midi note, so that I am building the snare with different sounds selected for side stick, snare, etc.?
2015/05/08 10:00:33
scook
Only one sample is used per pad by the Drag and Drop method of adding sounds to SB3 kit pieces, All notes associated with the pad play the same sample.
 
Sfz files must be used to assign multiple samples to a kit piece.
2015/05/08 10:28:57
jkoseattle
Thanks for the quick reply. I don't understand it at all I guess. In the Media Browser, I'm not seeing any .sfz files, only .flac and .mid files. I go into Session Drummer/Contents/Kits. Is there somewhere else I'm going to find these files?
2015/05/08 10:39:42
Beepster
As far as I know sfz files are merely a set of text instructions that points SD to the actual samples so I don't think you can browse to them like you can wavs or other audio. By loading directly within SD3 you'll get the instructions and all the audio files (so when you trigger a pad it detects the right velocity/articulation then plays the correct audio file).
 
I would like to know more about this myself though. I'm not sure whether those instructions (sfz) are even viewable in the media browser (filtered out) or if they are stored along with the associated waves (like in a folder with the instructions and the audio).
 
Not a problem for me but I am curious from an acedemic standpoint.
 
scook is probably already replying with the answers as I type this... lol
2015/05/08 11:00:33
scook
To see sfz files in the browser, click the arrow in the Media tab, select views and check "Show All Files and Folders." Another way to load sfz files is right-click on the kit piece and select "Load Instrument..." from the drop down.

2015/05/08 11:05:16
Kamikaze
Have look via Windows Explorer, you find the SFZ file normally in the same folder as the samples, or in the folder above it. I don't have session drummer installed, but here's a rapture set of SFZ  files with a folder containing the samples
 

Easiet thing is to take an existing SFZ file, copy it and edit it. It's a text files, so put your samples in a folder and put the details in the text file. Looks intimidating at first, but when you look at them you'll see familiar stuff
2015/05/08 11:39:32
Beepster
@scook and kami...
 
Cool. I might try creating my own SFZ and associated sounds just to be a dork. Like make dumb noises in a mic and assign them to specific velocities/notes/artics/etc just to see how it works. Not really useful considering there are plenty of goodies that do this stuff much easier but would be educational... and perhaps fun.
 
Cheers.
2015/05/08 12:33:49
Keni
It's a bit tedious, but not too bad all things considered...

When SD3 was first given to us, I edited one kit to replace its kick drum with another... I've been using this ever since as my goto drum kit... Steven Slate Old Zep Dry kit with the Steven Slate Sizzle kick dry...

Well worth the few minutes it took to do the text editing! ;-)

Keni
2015/05/08 15:59:59
OldTimerNewComer
Keni
It's a bit tedious, but not too bad all things considered...

When SD3 was first given to us, I edited one kit to replace its kick drum with another... I've been using this ever since as my goto drum kit... Steven Slate Old Zep Dry kit with the Steven Slate Sizzle kick dry...

Well worth the few minutes it took to do the text editing! ;-)

Keni

This is the reason I still use SD3 more than I use AD2... the ability to completely customize my kits.
I used info I found on the old knowledge base and from some users... I will see if I can find and post the link.
 
Mel
2015/05/08 16:10:54
OldTimerNewComer
Sorry, that stuff came from the DevXChange,
which no longer is maintained.
 
Anyway, I think Paul P has done some pretty extensive work on this...
Maybe shoot him a pm.
 
 
Mel
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