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  • Keyboard shortcut or easy way to deselect notes in piano roll view.
2015/05/03 07:17:50
tenfoot
Hi folks.
I have a niggling problem (not a bug) when editing midi data in piano roll view. If using the smart tool, with a midi note selected, you are only able to adjust the velocity of that single note in the controller pane. In order to adjust other velocities you have to deselect that note. That involves changing to the select tool, clicking in free space, then changing back to the smart tool to edit the velocities. Is there a faster way to deselect a note or notes in PRV?
 
Thanks:)
2015/05/03 07:53:01
Zargg
You can do all this with the smart tool. If you have selected a number of notes, and want to deselect a note, simply crtl (left) click on desired note to deselect. Or left click on an empty space to deselect all. To select several notes, right click and "lasso" the notes you want.
2015/05/03 08:08:17
synkrotron
Or you could simply click on a note on the piano keyboard to the left, on a note that you know is outside of your range of notes within the piano roll. That's what I do anyway...
 
I can't remember the last time I bothered switching away from the smart tool.
2015/05/03 08:17:54
williamcopper
I reported this as a bug, but no one seemed to agree.
 
What I do to deselect is click once in the empty pane, not on a note.   The problem, imo, is that you can no longer enter a note in PRV with a single click (without either a tool change or a modifier key, ie the other hand in use).   So every time you touch a note with the dumb tool it gets selected, and then in order to draw in the controller pane, you must unselect that note that was just selected.       And, related problem, every time you click in the time-line, PRV, with even a tiny slide of the mouse, you select things on what sonar thinks is your active track (even if it is not), and again must unselect to do anything useful.    I'd like to configure the PRV time-line to do away with zoom and slip-select and all the other weird places where you can click-in-a-few pixels and do things you don't want.
 
2015/05/03 08:20:26
williamcopper
Feature request: configurable smart tool.   I'd like to modify position, length, pitch in the PRV on a note WITHOUT permanently selecting it.   I'd like to enter a note with a single click and then be able to immediately adjust the position, length and pitch as needed, without changing tools and without any modifier keys. 
 
2015/05/03 08:46:14
tenfoot
Zargg71
You can do all this with the smart tool. If you have selected a number of notes, and want to deselect a note, simply crtl (left) click on desired note to deselect. Or left click on an empty space to deselect all. To select several notes, right click and "lasso" the notes you want.


Thanks Zargg71- left click did the trick. I thought that left click would draw a note  as in empty space the smart tool becomes a draw tool, but apparently that takes a double click  or click and drag. 
 
Another good option synkrotron - thanks.
 
A configurable tool would indeed be brilliant william:) 
2015/05/03 12:39:05
brundlefly
williamcopper
The problem, imo, is that you can no longer enter a note in PRV with a single click (without either a tool change or a modifier key, ie the other hand in use).



All you have to do is use a "draw" gesture - i.e. click and drag slightly.
2015/05/03 13:21:02
synkrotron
If you double click on the piano roll it places a note, on the line you double clicked on, using which ever snap is currently set, of the same length and velocity as the previously drawn note...
 
2015/05/03 17:34:19
williamcopper
Yes, brundlefly and synkrotron, I've learned both those, and sure they work.    But double click, for me anyway, is a slightly spastic effort and never goes exactly where I want it.   And click-drag is time consuming.   So:  I repeat, would like to click for placement, and then be able to adjust.  The draw tool does the single-click placement, but you can't adjust a note with that tool.   (And yes I know about snap, but that's another can of worms ... my music doesn't use goose-eggs in a row, or steady quarters, or steady eighths, so my snap is usually set at 32ds, weak 'magneticism' ... requiring adjustment, very frequently.)
 
 
2015/05/03 20:53:25
Anderton
williamcopper
So:  I repeat, would like to click for placement, and then be able to adjust.  The draw tool does the single-click placement, but you can't adjust a note with that tool. 



I can certainly understand why you'd want this, but I think the issue might be that a single-click action with the Smart Tool would set up a conflict. There needs to be a tool to select, and selection requires a single click (or at least, it should - double-clicking or key+click to select would get tedious after a while). The Smart Tool has been chosen for selection (or adding a note if you double-click), after which it can then modify the note parameters.
 
If a single click inserted a note, then something else would need to provide the single-click select option because selecting a note would cause another note to be created on top of the note you selected. However, one way around this might be that if you single-clicked where there wasn't a note, it would create a note and if you single-clicked where there was a note, it would select the note. However, this would then preclude placing a note on top of another note, which there are valid reasons to do. I guess a workaround would be that if you wanted to place a note on another note, then you'd have to use a modifier key when clicking.
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