Dave Modisette

Anderton
... bring them into SONAR for adult editing.   

Hmmmmm.   Adding those wacka, wacka, wah-wah guitar tracks?

LOL!

Dave Modisette

Geo524
Sonar is professional. Reaper is professional. Pro Tools is the industry standard but losing ground. 

Yeah.... don't know if I agree with that.  I think that it's becoming more of an exclusive club but I'll agree that if you pick out a DAW product and learn it, you can make as much music as your imagination and ingenuity will allow.

If only one DAW existed, I'm sure most of the people in this forum could make music with it.
 
As to whether Pro Tools is losing ground, if you look at retail sales figures, it definitely is. Some of that might be obscured by direct download sales (Avid does that, right?) but I think the main issue isn't Pro Tools per se. It's that new people coming into DAW-land have so many choices it's no longer "essential" to have Pro Tools. For a lot of people, SONAR, Live, Reason, etc. make more sense for what they do...so why not use those, unless you need to exchange projects with someone who's scoring the next "Lord of the Rings"?

Anderton

Dave Modisette

Geo524
Sonar is professional. Reaper is professional. Pro Tools is the industry standard but losing ground. 

Yeah.... don't know if I agree with that.  I think that it's becoming more of an exclusive club but I'll agree that if you pick out a DAW product and learn it, you can make as much music as your imagination and ingenuity will allow.

If only one DAW existed, I'm sure most of the people in this forum could make music with it.
 
As to whether Pro Tools is losing ground, if you look at retail sales figures, it definitely is. Some of that might be obscured by direct download sales (Avid does that, right?) but I think the main issue isn't Pro Tools per se. It's that new people coming into DAW-land have so many choices it's no longer "essential" to have Pro Tools. For a lot of people, SONAR, Live, Reason, etc. make more sense for what they do...so why not use those, unless you need to exchange projects with someone who's scoring the next "Lord of the Rings"?

But, aren't retail sales figures deceiving?  Along with the retail sales comes a hoard of new users with an infinite combination of hardware and 3rd party software and all the customer support issues that it brings with it.  It seems logical that it might be a good idea to have a strategic retreat back to defensible borders and get back to doing what you originally did well.  (Or at least perceived to do well.)  
 
Anyway, I'm working on a few things in Platinum, trying to get my hot keys squared away and my speed increased and if someone asks if I have PT, I can say "Yes, but is it really beneficial to us and to the finished project?"
My $.02.

Dave Modisette
 
But, aren't retail sales figures deceiving?

Not sure why they would be...if a company consistently sells X amount of software and then two years later is selling X/2, and the prices have remained relatively constant, you have to figure that's a decline (although as I mentioned, direct downloads may be making up the difference...I tend to doubt it, though).
 
There's no doubt Pro Tools is still the top dog in the industry, but not to the extent it was. Logic has taken a significant bite out of it on the Mac platform, where Pro Tools was strongest.

Up in Canada there's only one big retail chain and it goes across the country like Musicians Friend does in the USA. I go in there and they never have the current version of Sonar and don't publicise the product at all. Their sales people don't know much about it today. After X1 they lost interest in the product.
 
To me this is a huge opportunity for Cakewalk, because this same chain is the official Canadian distributor for Gibson. Hey Craig, why not sprinkle a little of your pixie dust on Canada, because Gibson in Canada doesn't do much for Sonar.

In Canada...or spelt right = Canaan Da...The chains all tie to distributors who carry all gear that shows profit margins and allowed x markups,to gain the higher tax, and add on bit to pay the rent, and gain some profits off of, some times too much, charged the over priced store front in rents and taxes, when using the route of road rash movement to x location, more is added in cost to transport the product.
 
The electric download thing can cut all that out with digital software movement through electronic delevery....via downloads...and no walls or boarders...could free up a over costing tax burden and duty corrupted overly oppressed and terriffed method...needs be to over rule, or undercut....So we do not support the chaos, and cost comes down so more can have fun....As my friend Cat said...Where do the children play?.....hopefully play is still free for futures to come!!!....wink?.
 
But that is another issue altogether now....altogether now....altogether now...We all live in a yellow submarine! 

In the Uk, it depends on the publication who they promote more. The engineer awards is different kettle of fish and you would need to research who won what on what year.

The reason is simple. The marketing.

this is actually a good question!
 
Marriage between Roland and Cakewalk was not a good one. The Japan side limited many efforts to protect Boss, and roland products...
 
Take v studio 100 for example, it could have been a  4 track recorder as well,....no...
 
take Dim Pro,  it could have been like sample tank, GM module...no but they put limitations with miltitimbral....
 
sonar, .....and questions why.
 
 but for any DAW you can have similar debates.. the answers are stick with it or dont.

Marketing is like make up...You can paint a pig...but it is still a pig....reference to those paying for it...and using it...to mislead.....Word of mouth is way more stable....So tell the industry.