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  • R-Mix does not seem to like Platinum. Could we get a nice noise reduction tool included?
2015/04/21 13:02:29
Beepster
I've been wrestling with the age old problem of hi gain guitar hum. Usually I play so fast and agressively it doesn't matter (the hum gets buried). Currently I'm working on something more delicate that requires high gain and sustain. As the notes hold that hum creeps in. Yes... my gear ain't great BUT R-Mix's Noise Reduction "Hum" setting got rid of it immediately.
 
Problem... uber crash and the project got corrupted (and I lost all my takes). I ain't blaming Sonar. R-Mix has always been a little freaky and causes unexpected weirdness (which is likely one of the reasons it has been removed amongst the corporate restructuring) but it does do some things quite well.
 
So I am asking, especially considering how many guitar players use Sonar, whether a) the user base feels a simple yet flexible/effective noise reduction tool would be worth the Baker's time and b) if the Baker's would consider conjuring up such a goodie for us that will work well in Sonar 2015 and tossing it in (or at least making it available for a decent price)?
 
It would help me and my noisy little endevours immensely. I ain't asking for Ozone level stuff. Just something that can quickly remove some of the more common noises one may encounter like hum, hiss, etc without sucking the life out of a performance.
 
Cheers. Hope everyone is well.
 
Edit: And just a short description of the crash for those who may be curious...
 
I had added R-Mix to two guit tracks. Set the Noise Reduction to Hum and had it set moderately. I went to try out some different input tones (dual input track and one track was much lower with less sustain than the other so I wanted to fix it). When I engaged echo and started playing I was getting MASSIVE latency (like about a full second delay). I turned off R-Mix... no difference. Enable/disabled PDC. No difference. Screwed with my interface buffers. No difference. Ended up getting an audio engine dropout (which happens sometimes when screwing with buffer settings with Sonar open)... then a full on crash. First major crash with SPlat. Had to end the task with Task Manager. Reopened the project after rebooting. Massive whitescreen and hang when reopenening the project and the same latency issue persisted. The Sonar reported latency was within usual/normal parameters. Reverted back to an earlier version of the project which was fine.
 
I may try to get the takes out of the corrupted project into the new project but it's probably better/easier to just retrack because I was not happy with the input tone anyway. Just thought maybe I'd give more details for the looky loo's and powers that be. This is is obviously an R-Mix conflict. SPlat has been pretty darn solid for me so far. I am only on Braintree though so maybe this is a known issue and I'm an idiot for not updating yet however I am trying to avoid some of the other issues until the next release as I have not yet had any major problems with Braintree.
2015/04/21 13:24:37
Beepster
And I guess, if Craig or any other of you talented fellows could help a Beep out...
 
Since R-Mix's Noise Reduction "Hum" setting solved my issue I'm guessing this could be done with a bit of elbow grease and the other, less arseholish, tools included with Sonar. I'm assuming all it is is a very specific EQ filter setting or something. I'm okay at basic notch filtering but this requires more so maybe there is a technique I can use (and may post in the Techniques tab about this).
 
The noise is just your standard guitar/amp line noise. I can't seem to get rid of the shiz on the way in no matter what I do. I can only minimize it by making sure I position myself in the EXACT right spot facing the EXACT right way in my little room. You guit hounds will know the hum I am referring to. Get exacerbated as soon as you toss any distortion/gain on the clean sound whether outboard or in the box.
 
Any suggestions would be awesome. Thanks.
 
Edit: Alternatively... any inexpensive NR plugs that work well with Sonar (as in does the job without crashing)? I would LOVE to get some of the Izotope stuff for this type of thing but those packages are pricey. Just need something to yank out hiss and hum. I'll snag the Izo stuff when things start looking up a little more. For now still working on an extreme budget.
2015/04/21 13:37:32
benjaminfrog
As an alternative, Reaper's freeware plugin bundle, ReaPlugs, includes ReaFIR, which can be used to capture noise profiles and subtract the noise from your audio. 
 
http://www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/
2015/04/21 13:43:48
Brando
Hi Beep - I would try a noise gate first - might be able to reduce the noise to a non-objectionable level.
http://blog.cakewalk.com/...al-gateexpander-gx622/
2015/04/21 13:52:50
Beepster
benjaminfrog
As an alternative, Reaper's freeware plugin bundle, ReaPlugs, includes ReaFIR, which can be used to capture noise profiles and subtract the noise from your audio. 
 
http://www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/




Hi, Ben. Does it work better than Audacity's noise removal? I found that severely crippled the overall tone of the audio on other things I've tried. I think in many ways I don't want it to take a sample of noise when there is no playing going on because that yanks out too much. A little hiss or whatever gets buried in the action and those sample based NR thingies seem to yank out the sweetness because it's removing what would not be heard anyway.
 
I'm thinking more of a tool that targets known/common problem noise which R-Mix seems to have done (in this case) without affecting anything else. Having adjustable paramaters would be nice on top of baseline presets but really I'm assuming the cake lads know exactly which noises are the most common and how to remove them.
 
I'll take a look at the Rea plug though. Maybe it is adjustable and able to target things a little better. Since R-Mix worked so well though I may just set up a project destined to die and try to get the reduction don in that then reimport into the actual project. PITA but it could work. I only really started having problems once I started trying to capture more live input.
2015/04/21 13:53:49
JCody
I just had it grind Platinum to a halt while using it on a project with midi. Wow the latency it created on the midi input was ridiculous.
 And R-Mix wasn't on the midi track but on an audio track that I was copying.
2015/04/21 13:58:10
robbyk
SoundSoap 3 (the old bias) is inexpensive and works quick and easy with no problems for me (8.53). I do a lot of work for a client who does on location podcasts (wind, hum, air conditioning, etc.) and I use it on noisy vocals from entry level mics / interfaces as well for room noise or pc hum.
 
SoundSoap 4 is out now.
2015/04/21 13:58:54
Beepster
Brando
Hi Beep - I would try a noise gate first - might be able to reduce the noise to a non-objectionable level.
http://blog.cakewalk.com/...al-gateexpander-gx622/



Hi, Brando. Thanks. Yeah I've been messing with gates/expanders. Of course they deal with the noise outside of the performance but during the sustained notes the hum creeps in. Forcing the gate/expanders to the point they remove it destroys the audio. I still have those tools engaged but they only do so much before they start hurting the part. Have also done quite a bit of EQ sweeping and screwing around with compressor settings/position.
 
I am very close to what I need. R-Mix pushed me right over the top and made everything golden. It just crashed the Bleeping frack out of Sonar. I'll force it to work though if that's what needs to be done.
 
Cheers.
2015/04/21 14:02:11
Beepster
JCody
I just had it grind Platinum to a halt while using it on a project with midi. Wow the latency it created on the midi input was ridiculous.
 And R-Mix wasn't on the midi track but on an audio track that I was copying.




Cool (but really... not cool). Thanks for confirming. It's a really cool concept for a plug but darned if it isn't a finicky bastige.
 
robbyk
SoundSoap 3 (the old bias) is inexpensive and works quick and easy with no problems for me (8.53). I do a lot of work for a client who does on location podcasts (wind, hum, air conditioning, etc.) and I use it on noisy vocals from entry level mics / interfaces as well for room noise or pc hum.
 
SoundSoap 4 is out now.




Right on. I'll check it out. Thank you.
2015/04/21 14:02:11
Beepster
Dupe...
 
And instead of wasting a post... maybe they could piggyback this feature onto another plug like Channel Tools. CT seems to do some of the cool stuff I'd use R-Mix for anyway. Maybe CT 2.0 with NR and a graphical interface like R-Mix would be cool.
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