• SONAR
  • I am so confused on Audio Snap (p.2)
2015/04/23 14:48:42
Anderton
brundlefly
Anderton
  1. Type Ctrl+L

 
Enabling groove clip looping is an easy way to enable autostretch on a clip, but SONAR tends to foul up guessing how many beats are in the clip which can cause the clip to get stretched incorrectly the moment you enable it.

 
This is why I said "for best results set the project tempo to the clip's original, native tempo." If you do that, it works like magic for small stretches.
 
2015/04/23 15:05:39
Beepster
Craig... based on your Advanced vids in the Looping/Warping sections couldn't quality, on the fly tempo changes be possible with a bit of pre setup on the audio files using Loop Constructor? As in make sure that before the conversion to Groove Clips (or after... I forget the exact order of steps) that the user gets in and sets up and tests the transient splits so each specific clip handles tempo changes well without artifacts?
 
It would take some work in advance but if the groove clips are sliced right tempo changes on the fly should not be a problem on a good system... n'est ce pas? I have not tried this yet though so I don't know.
2015/04/23 17:02:53
Sanderxpander
I love Sonar and I have a lot of respect for the folks who are trying to help you out, but honestly for what you're trying to do I would stick with Ableton. Each DAW has its strengths and Ableton was built from the ground up to nail on the fly audio time stretching.

I use Sonar for 90 percent of studio work and Ableton for 100 percent of live work.
2015/04/23 18:31:27
Anderton
I agree Ableton's warping algorithm is best in class, but if you want to stay within SONAR and only need to change by a few BPM, Groove Clips do the job. 
2015/04/23 19:06:47
brundlefly
Sanderxpander
...honestly for what you're trying to do I would stick with Ableton. Each DAW has its strengths and Ableton was built from the ground up to nail on the fly audio time stretching.



Sounds like good advice to me.
2015/04/24 20:16:43
tloker
Thanks for all the advice.  I like Ableton Live but the issue is really in the list and playback interface.
 
We use scenes to build all the songs in the set and then use the Enter key to trigger and go to the next one. The issue is the screen size is hard to see, there is a whole lot of stuff on the screen - we use a touch enabled Surface Pro 3 tablet - which works great but. One errant touch is adding complexity to the show for the drummer in the middle of live performance.  My main talent insists Drummer cues the song so...
 
We are investigating moving to Sonar for a few reasons, the main is the ease of the song play list and the fact that I can simplify to the spacebar and there is nothing else to "touch"
 
I tried the Ctrl L solution today and will play with it further but may work as we only need a few BPM changes mostly.  I also will try the quantize solution but would love to see a step by step solution.  At the moment I have tried so many combinations its had to reframe the workflow.
 
Thanks again to the community for the comments and answers, Just Awsome!
2015/04/24 21:01:35
Sanderxpander
You know you can zoom the Ableton view and get rid of all the side and bottom panels, right? Or use a controller.

Well, whatever works for you! Good luck! :)
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