• SONAR
  • Instruction on install of CbB? As suspected- they turned it in to Freeware. (p.7)
2018/04/16 20:15:39
scook
Sure, the situation could change but it would appear there are no plans to charge for the program ever. See http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3745236
 
2018/04/16 20:27:46
CTStump
scook
Sure, the situation could change but it would appear there are no plans to charge for the program ever. See http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3745236
 


Thanks for the link, a post is a post ofcourse if things do change I suppose there will be some who use that post to beat Meng over the head with but that is in no way a legal obligation so in hope that is and will be what is.

For the umpteenth time that is a great value on offer professional or "not".
2018/04/16 21:35:19
sharke
Brian Walton
vladasyn
Euthymia
vladasyn
I cant take freeware seriously. Can you?  



Absolutely.
 
Without Linux and Apache running most of the sites on the www, and LibreOffice, Audacity, MusicBee, Voxengo SPAN, Meldaproduction Free Bundle, ffmpeg, libflac, Firefox, Chrome, Internet Explorer, iZotope Imager, iZotope Vinyl, Sonalksis FreeG, VLC, MediaHuman Audio Converter, MP3Tag, and now Cakewalk (among many, many others) on my desktop computer, I could not do what I do without the existence of and my personal use of freeware. It's in my critical path daily.
 
What I can't take seriously is the inability take freeware seriously. You can't be serious.


Except Melda Production and IE, I never heard of any of the software you listed. I do not install any free software, never install any trials. I have Melda Creative bundle, I would not install Free bundle. 


Why do you use "wix" for your web site?  Is it not free and completely unprofessional?  And this is something your client actually sees, not some random software you use on your computer.  



Ha good point, and hard to argue with. Having a free website with the host's name in the URL isn't exactly professional - a bit like using an AOL email account to communicate with your customers. That's one situation where free most certainly DOES give your customers a negative impression. 
2018/04/16 23:23:06
35mm
Brian Walton
vladasyn
Euthymia
vladasyn
I cant take freeware seriously. Can you?  



Absolutely.
 
Without Linux and Apache running most of the sites on the www, and LibreOffice, Audacity, MusicBee, Voxengo SPAN, Meldaproduction Free Bundle, ffmpeg, libflac, Firefox, Chrome, Internet Explorer, iZotope Imager, iZotope Vinyl, Sonalksis FreeG, VLC, MediaHuman Audio Converter, MP3Tag, and now Cakewalk (among many, many others) on my desktop computer, I could not do what I do without the existence of and my personal use of freeware. It's in my critical path daily.
 
What I can't take seriously is the inability take freeware seriously. You can't be serious.


Except Melda Production and IE, I never heard of any of the software you listed. I do not install any free software, never install any trials. I have Melda Creative bundle, I would not install Free bundle. 


Why do you use "wix" for your web site?  Is it not free and completely unprofessional?  And this is something your client actually sees, not some random software you use on your computer.  


Exactly. Well super sloothed! Maybe we should stop beating up this poor forum member now though. They made their point, we dissed it, they realised they didn't actually have a point but went on to defend it anyway. We should let this thread die so that Vlada can go on and do what she wants to do which is... well she can't have her Cake and eat it!


2018/04/17 00:10:25
mkerl
vladasyn
 Having basic software for free and then offer paid features is different from having everything for free. I do not expect serious growth and development of the free software. The fact that thousands of immature will use this software will change the focus of development and make it surface deep. Why would they create professional features if immature will never use it AND they will not make any money selling it. Social networking platform hardly requires pro level features such as comping and MIDI automatization.   




Meng wrote, that the core software will be free, the next rapture pro will not. Bandlab has simple software already, but when I discovered Bandlab, I realized, there are really good musicians out there. Why not give them a professional tool to collaborate.? Why do you think, they will not use professional features? Do you think, all users of a paid version are professionals? I don't think so. The intention of Mr.Meng makes sense IMHO. 
 
Cheers 
2018/04/17 00:25:17
mkerl
vladasyn
 When it comes to future development of software and when you have to pay team of developers to move product forward, this is where it starts getting expansive. When you have millions of free users, how can you provide tech support and assure high level of customer experience if nobody pays for anything but everybody wants to be able to get support? The more users, the more issues, the more time it needs to support everybody- without paid manpower, the issues will not get resolved.  




There has been a thread about the unsual business model. Mr.Meng explained, that his business is broadly based with different revenues. He assured to plan for the long term. I don't know, maybe it's courageous, but it seems he is going for the big picture. His explanations are consistent.
 
Cheers 
2018/04/17 00:42:22
GjB
Let's delete this thread already and move on.. Talk about counter productive to the cause.
Plus, it's probably time to have a new forum for Cakewalk by BandLab anyway..
Then this original forum can be heavily tidied up, loved and locked down for reference.
2018/04/17 00:48:12
mudgel
Songroom
The fact is that BandLab are not giving away the full product, new users get the core program which is akin to the original 'Artist' version. When I opted for the former flagship release my decision was based on the wealth of additional extras it included and I can still use the majority of these with CbB. I have pretty much what I paid for with the added bonus of continued development.  
 
Base versions of other software titles (including MS Visual Studio and Unity) are also available for free. This doesn't seem to have a detrimental affect on their popularity.
 


This is incorrect information that you are spreading.

The core program is what was previously called Sonar Platinum. The additional content is what was included with the Artist version.
The plugins and instruments will be made available and further developed for sale at some point in the future. For those people that already had Platinum their plugins will just be picked up by Cakewalk by BandLab. For those folks who have never owned Platinum before or Sonar in general they will get an opportunity to purchase whichever plugins and content will be put in the online store once it gets back online.

Seeing as this has happened in period of little more than a month ie from purchase of the Intellectual Property and assets to release of the first version it seems unreasonable to expect that could have done more. As it is CbB includes a few features that were to be included in the November release last year when development ceased.

The principle is that Cakewalk will remain free and additional content will be sold. This is the same idea that didn’t quite get time to flourish under Cakewalk by Gibson because Gibson didn’t have the vision let alone the funds to back it up. BandLab does.
2018/04/17 02:47:40
Studioguy1
I just hope they are big enough to solve my password problem.  The 2nd time I try to log on it forgets who I am.  I still have not downloaded the BandLab version.  Could anyone give me some advice here.  I am getting frustrated with this.  At the onset it looks to be a simple thing, but alas it is not happening.  I now have BandLab App on my desktop but it won't let me in either.  Damn.
2018/04/17 07:35:33
Frank Harvey
mudgel
Songroom
The fact is that BandLab are not giving away the full product, new users get the core program which is akin to the original 'Artist' version. When I opted for the former flagship release my decision was based on the wealth of additional extras it included and I can still use the majority of these with CbB. I have pretty much what I paid for with the added bonus of continued development.  
 
Base versions of other software titles (including MS Visual Studio and Unity) are also available for free. This doesn't seem to have a detrimental affect on their popularity.
 


This is incorrect information that you are spreading.........................................
Seeing as this has happened in period of little more than a month ie from purchase of the Intellectual Property and assets to release of the first version it seems unreasonable to expect that could have done more. .....................................................................
The principle is that Cakewalk will remain free and additional cost tent will be sold. This is the same idea that didn’t quite get time to flourish under Cakewalk by Gibson because Gibson didn’t have the vision let alone the funds to back it up. BandLab does.



Nice, succinct summary Mudgel !!!
 
Hey Yall !!!! (is that how to spell YALL?)
Meng and the guys who are trying to save our Cakewalk Bacon are no doubt 'under the gun' !
As Mudgel pointed out.........We are talking about an extremely SHORT TIME FRAME here.............
...........give 'em space guys :) ........at least afford a bit of breathing room.
:).............Yeah a smile can work wonders.
 
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