Hi tony, just tried to send you a PM and was returned. mvogel2 at outlook dot com

I have had a few expected pm`s not eventuate before-I run 2 laptops-one that refuses to die and one for graphics and Sonar and can be logged out on one and logged on in the other?
my email is in public profile .
nothing to hide here......
cheers
tony

webbs hill studio
.....2015 Herb Hartley Award for Lamest Attention Seeking Thinly Disguised as Attempt to Appear Helpful goes to.........
 
 
 
 hey paulo,
posting such a provocative personal jibe certainly grabbed my attention.
it is possible the poster was presenting the track in good faith rather than self-aggrandising.(if that`s a word?)
 
tony.
  
 
 
 
 

Hey yourself Tony....
 
It's just joking around and I wouldn't have done it had I not been certain that it would be taken as such. There is absolutely no malice here.
 

 
 

jamesyoyo
Thanks, Craig, for your response.
 
But I am not a newbie to this nor is my system new either. I run X3 with little to no issues. In fact, since I wrote the original post my orchestral masterpiece in Platinum crashed and I have not been able to open neither the last saved version nor the autosaved copy. Rebooted computer and still same thing. So I try to open it in X3....no problem! Ergo onw must conclude that there is something inherently buggy with the Platinum version of the software.

Wrong conclusion. You think X = Y but X <> Y. Don't expect the same behaviour with the same specs.

paulo

webbs hill studio
.....2015 Herb Hartley Award for Lamest Attention Seeking Thinly Disguised as Attempt to Appear Helpful goes to.........
 
 
 
 hey paulo,
posting such a provocative personal jibe certainly grabbed my attention.
it is possible the poster was presenting the track in good faith rather than self-aggrandising.(if that`s a word?)
 
tony.
  
 
 
 
 

Hey yourself Tony....
 
It's just joking around and I wouldn't have done it had I not been certain that it would be taken as such. There is absolutely no malice here.
 

 
 


hey Paulo,
looks like I misinterpreted an in-joke,again.
that's a problem here-unless you read every single post and are familiar with peoples style,its easy to miss the running gags.
cheers
tony 

williamcopper
...problems with "many clips" have arisen without Kontakt and without ANY vst in older sonar versions.

I'm still waiting for a recipe or a reference to a thread where a problem was definitively attributable to "too many MIDI clips".

I think one of the ways these kind of threads often start off going sideways is getting stuck in the loop of terminology differences.  For me, a bug is a known software caused issue that can be replicated.  As opposed to a problem.  Thje effect on the end user is about the same, so i can understand the frustration.  I can also understand why people cave into the urge to treat correlation as cause. The OP in these threads  feels like everyone is being dismissive (or being "fanboys") and the staff and peers not experiencing the issue feels that the cause is probably rooted in something specific to the user. The fact that there is always a group of dedicated complainers ready to jump in often fans the flames.  In this case, knowing the exact plugins he is using makes it a lot easier to eliminate some variables.  It may take some trial and error, but this is a thread that there is actually nothing to fight over if we keep our heads cool.

The way I look at it...  this thread might be the first time I've ever actually seen a gold-plated turd.
 
OK, as you were...
 

I completely get the OP's sentiment.  Sonar is not some new, shiny piece of software that needs time to mature.  It is literally decades in the making.  If you're one of the folks that feel it gets blamed too quickly, I know why.  Because it is sloppy.
 
Sonar is a decades old, single platform application that STILL hasn't managed to implement a smooth installation process.
 
Sorry ... I don't trust it.  When I have a system that runs everything else perfectly fine-including previous versions of Sonar-new problems are gonna get blamed on the new version.  Does this mean that the problem is always with Sonar?  Hell No!  Take a look at the confirmed bug list for the past 20 releases.  Where do you honestly think initial su****ion should go?
 
A customer/user oriented company would recognize this and take responsibility instead of spending precious time playing defense.  Don't waste your breath explaining why it must be something else as your first response.  Actively listen, ask questions and help your users get to the place they bought your software to help them get to.
 
When you just released new software that creates a new experience, where the hell do you think the fingers will point?  Man up and take it.  Help get to the root cause.  The best defense you can possibly hope for is a solid track record.  How sloppy is this again?
 
jeez ... simple concepts folks.  You want people to see you as a shining example?  Simple.  Shine!
 
 

BobF
 
A customer/user oriented company would recognize this and take responsibility instead of spending precious time playing defense.  Don't waste your breath explaining why it must be something else as your first response.  Actively listen, ask questions and help your users get to the place they bought your software to help them get to.
 

 
BobF,
This is not a defense of Sonar, Cakewalk or an attempt at fanboyism, but if you take a look at the 3 pages of responses prior to yours, you will not find a single user name that includes the text [Cakewalk].  You are assuming the software users attempting to respond to the OP work for Cakewalk...they don't.  If you are assuming that Craig Anderton works for Cakewalk, then you are wrong.  He is a Gibson employee and a Cakewalk user.  He has stated that many times.  This is a user forum with people just like you.