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2015/03/31 04:04:32
Bristol_Jonesey
Sanderxpander
That's what I meant. The OP says "some tracks..."
If that's really the case I don't see the benefit of clip envelopes to begin with.



They offer several advantages.
The main one is that clip envelopes are the very first thing in the signal chain and their effect is applied even before the input gain, which can be very useful for proper gain staging.
 
This in turn means you can feed a reasonably consistent level into your dynamics processors, giving them less work to do.
 
Likewise, you will then find that any track automation can be more constrained. This does mean you have to apply clip envelopes to every clip in a track, but if you're smart and bounce them all into one contiguous clip it eliminates having to to work several clip envelopes.
2015/03/31 04:23:45
Sanderxpander
I don't mean to get irritated now but I feel that you lecturing me somehow on a topic I know and understand. This is probably not your intent but I'll try to explain my post (again).

The OP says he wants to fade out a bunch of tracks together, separate from the rest of the mix. He then asked if it was possible to copy clip envelopes as if that was the most logical way to do it. I merely offered a different solution to his problem because a single bus fade seems much easier. If the intent is really to simply fade the tracks, a bus fade would actually be BETTER because, as you say, clip envelopes happen before any inserts so the sound of the tracks could change significantly if you use them.

So again, I don't see the benefit of multiple clip fades IN THE CONTEXT of his OP. It seems way simpler to send those tracks to a bus and fade the bus. If there is some other, unstated reason why that can't be done, we may need another solution. Track envelopes would then still seem more useful than clip envelopes for the reasons you stated.
2015/03/31 06:07:50
Bristol_Jonesey
Until the OP comes back and makes his intentions clear we're all pissing in the wind.
 
Is there a way to copy clip envelopes from one track to another?  Example, some tracks need to fade out together

 
This is ambiguous - does he need to fade clips or tracks?
 
These are completely different actions with different solutions.
2015/03/31 06:26:17
Sanderxpander
Agreed. You can't copy clip envelopes from and to a track to begin with, the whole premise is flawed. You could copy track envelopes though.

I merely meant to offer a different solution since the discussion became really focused on clip envelopes when it's not even clear from the OP that that's actually what's requested/needed.
2015/04/01 18:39:44
jimkleban
Thanks everyone for the input.... but when I perform the fade out with a fader and record it, it turns into an envelop on the track.... nice smooth performed fade.... so now I want to copy the fader automation to another track.  I can not figure out how to select the envelop, copy it and then paste ONLY the envelop to another track.
 
Hopefully, this question is a bit more clear.
 
Thanks in advance,
Jim
 
2015/04/01 19:08:14
John
I don't believe there is such a thing as buss fade out in Sonar. You need a clip with ends to access the fade. One can use a volume envelope and "fade" that out but is not a fade. Clips have fades buses don't. At least I don't see one.  
2015/04/01 21:16:25
jimkleban
OK... wrong terms maybe?.... I record my fader movements on using the fader on the buss track (drum master as an example)... making sure that the W is selected on the track.  The movements create an record of my movements as values on a straight line (I consider this line the envelop)....as long as I have the R selected on the buss track (or whatever you want to call it), my movements that I recorded on the fader replay. I can edit the nodes on the envelop if any of my movements need to be tweaked.
 
So, I finally get this recorded movement to where I want it and there is a line on the track view with the nodes that I want to copy from one track (the buss or instrument track - wherever it is) and paste it to another track in the project.  
 
I am from the OLD school and all my fades happen by moving the fader and not inserting some tool that fades for you. Perhaps that is still the bone of confusion here.
 
I apologize if I am not using "CAKEWALKese" correctly but the above is what I am trying to do.
 
Thanks 
Jim
 
2015/04/02 00:49:40
John
As you can see the fade is already there. No need to automate anything. If you select more than one track you can apply the same fade to all selected tracks at one time. Nothing is easier or faster. To select contiguous tracks use shift. To select discontinuous tracks use ctrl.  


2015/04/02 01:43:42
Sanderxpander
John, Jim is not talking about clip fades, he is talking about a volume envelope.
Clip fades will work well unless you want to record fader movement.

Jim, you should be able to copy/paste automation just fine. I just double checked. After recording your automation, open the automation lanes on the track and select the portion of the envelope you want to copy (make sure you're on the automation lane, not the track proper!). Hit CTRL+C. Now select your target track and CTRL+V. Make sure your Now marker is at the beginning of your selection range or the whole thing will shift to the left or right.

It still seems to me like you could be doing this with a single bus by sending all tracks and buses there. Is there any reason you can't?
2015/04/02 01:53:06
John
Sanderxpander
John, Jim is not talking about clip fades, he is talking about a volume envelope.
Clip fades will work well unless you want to record fader movement.

Jim, you should be able to copy/paste automation just fine. I just double checked. After recording your automation, open the automation lanes on the track and select the portion of the envelope you want to copy (make sure you're on the automation lane, not the track proper!). Hit CTRL+C. Now select your target track and CTRL+V. Make sure your Now marker is at the beginning of your selection range or the whole thing will shift to the left or right.

It still seems to me like you could be doing this with a single bus by sending all tracks and buses there. Is there any reason you can't?

There is no need to use automation for fading. I use automation all the time. I also use a Mackie Control to do automation.  I do not use automation for fading a track or tracks. I use fades that are built in to all clips. 
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