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  • Is this really how SOLO should work?
2015/03/31 10:14:58
lfm
Track #1 - audio, no sends
Track #2 - audio, pre fader send
Track #2 - audio, post fader send
ReverbBus - target for sends above
all above to master
 
Scene #1:
Solo T1 - T1 and T2 pre fader send to ReverbBus audible - not expected?
Rest normal
 
Scene #2:
Solo T2 - T2 and T2 pre fader send to ReverbBus audible - expected!
Rest normal

 
Scene #3:
Solo T3 - T3 and T2 pre fader send, and T3 post fader send to ReverbBus audible - expected!
Rest normal
 
Scene #4:
Solo override ReverbBus - T2 pre fader send send to ReverbBus audible - expected!
Rest normal
ReverbBus audio goes out to master - without Master soloed - not expected.
But not main track outs does not go out - without Master soloed - expected.
 
Scene #5:
As #4 active - Solo override
No matter what you try to Solo T1, T2 or T3 - there is no difference in sound - not expected! 
But also adding Solo override to Master - then i works as expected soloing the tracks.
 
Scene #6:
Soloing one or several tracks, leaving busses alone - this seems to have changed?
You don't have to solo busses like Master or effect bus - they are audible.
 
Scene #7:
Soloing Master bus - nothing changes in audio - this seems to have changed?
You don't have to solo busses like Master or effect bus - they are audible.
 
Scene #8:
Soloing ReverbBus bus - Mute does not work on main tracks, not even sends are muted - not expected!
You don't have to solo Master - it's are audible, just soloing ReverbBus.

 
I guess the core is that pre fader send always audible, unless T2 muted.
And Solo override seems to work system global only solo - whatever else is soloed.
 
This must be a bug, or?
Thinking both how pre-fader sends work and solo override?
And see no difference really, if using solo override or just solo - maybe there is difference if using global solo stuff.
 
Please try this at home 
Did I forget anything, please let me know.
 
Thanks.
2015/03/31 12:11:50
Doktor Avalanche
Confirm you are running Cambridge and not using drum maps...?
2015/03/31 12:15:57
bitflipper
Soloing a track is equivalent to turning down the volume fader on all other tracks. Track 2's reverb send is pre-fader.
2015/03/31 12:28:29
brundlefly
Without painstakingly addressing each one of your scenarios individually, I think the following addresses most or all of them:
 
First, solo override works as expected on tracks, but there is a known issue with solo override on buses; it doesn't just prevent that bus from being muted by another bus being soloed; it actually solos the bus.
 
And second, prefader sends are not muted by muting the track, either directly or by soloing some other track. And soloing a bus implicitly solos all upstream track and buses and downstream buses as well; otherwise you wouldn't ever hear a soloed bus unless it routed directly to hardware outs, and you would loose the contribution of tracks and buses that feed it as well.
 
 
2015/03/31 13:18:52
lfm
bitflipper
Soloing a track is equivalent to turning down the volume fader on all other tracks. Track 2's reverb send is pre-fader.


I see, good explanation.
I can just learn that thinking.
 
But why is mute not like that then - really muting everything from that track?
Real mess to solo what you want otherwise - having prefader sends.
 
2015/03/31 13:19:28
lfm
Doktor Avalanche
Confirm you are running Cambridge and not using drum maps...?

Yes, Cambridge and no midi stuff at all - just the three audio tracks.
2015/03/31 13:28:35
scook
To get pre-fader sends to respond to soloing other tracks, I believe the LinkPFSendMute variable in AUD.ini is supposed to set that feature. See the description in http://www.cakewalk.com/D...I_Files.6.html#1134652
2015/03/31 13:29:18
lfm
brundlefly
Without painstakingly addressing each one of your scenarios individually, I think the following addresses most or all of them:
 
First, solo override works as expected on tracks, but there is a known issue with solo override on buses; it doesn't just prevent that bus from being muted by another bus being soloed; it actually solos the bus.
 
And second, prefader sends are not muted by muting the track, either directly or by soloing some other track. And soloing a bus implicitly solos all upstream track and buses and downstream buses as well; otherwise you wouldn't ever hear a soloed bus unless it routed directly to hardware outs, and you would loose the contribution of tracks and buses that feed it as well.
 

 
I found doing exclusive solo - then solo override have a function staying alive - not otherwise.
If you use solo or solo override is the same doing cumulative solo.
 
But as you said, activating should not solo anything.
 
Good confirmation about soloing busses. 
 
2015/03/31 13:32:58
lfm
scook
To get pre-fader sends to respond to soloing other tracks, I believe the LinkPFSendMute variable in AUD.ini is supposed to set that feature. See the description in http://www.cakewalk.com/D...I_Files.6.html#1134652


Excellent if  you can configure this - thanks.
 
EDIT: I found that setting in the list in preferences even - and it did the trick. How lovely, now it's all intuitive to me. Fixed both mute and solo to also mute the sends from tracks that are not audible.
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