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2015/03/28 15:19:48
gswitz
On of the things I've come to believe is that if you are doing something that causes the dither to be stacked over and over, it's not a bad idea to use non-shaped dither like triangular.
 
When not stacking, use Triangular.
 
If you are pulling a finished product in, you can bet it has shaped dither on it. You might consider not using another shaped dither when exporting it. In other words, you might pick triangular when importing something from youtube, adding a bunch of crazy FX and re-exporting. haha
2015/03/28 15:28:37
konradh
Geoff, What do you mean by stacking the dither over and over? I think of dither as the last step when exporting a finished product and going down to 16-bit for the purpose of making a CD.  I never dither if I am sending the product out for mastering.  Maybe I am missing something.  Thanks.
2015/03/28 16:01:11
Anonymungus!
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2015/03/28 16:01:43
gswitz
konradh
Geoff, What do you mean by stacking the dither over and over? I think of dither as the last step when exporting a finished product and going down to 16-bit for the purpose of making a CD.



There aren't any cases I can imagine where audio isn't passed around via a network. Imagine this use case.
1. User 1 plays guitar and sings and uses a ShoutCast stream to send the stream to his neighbor in another country (User 2). 
2. User 2 adds keyboards to the stream and forwards it to someone in another state (User 3).
3. User 3 adds drums to the mix and relays it to another stream with 100 real-time listeners.
 
Now you have a performance situation. The first musician cannot hear and react to what the second two musicians add to the mix, but he can get a bounce later to see how it came out.
 
The second musician can hear the first, but can't hear the drums since they haven't been added yet and he too would have to wait for a bounce to hear the final.
 
The third musician would actually hear the whole mix and stream it up to the wider audience.
 
In an internet chat room environment, like SecondLife or any other, a group of listeners could enjoy the performance and fairly real-time feedback. They would hear the performance within a second or two of it being played.
 
In this case, you have three stages at which dither may be required. User 1 would add dither before converting to a 192 bit stream (MP3 quality)  to go to User 2. User 2 converts the 192 bit stream to 24 bit audio, adds his part, converts back to 192 bit stream and sends to User 3.
 
Now you have three dithers stacked. In this case, the first two could be triangular and the last could be Pow-R3 shaped dither.
 
If each musician uses a shaped dither, the shaped dithers will compound. Since Shaped dithers often have frequency regions whether the dither is 3-4 times more than other regions, it could reach the audible range on a 192 bit MP3 quality stream if shaped dithers were stacked.
 
So, for this case, Users 1&2 would use triangular and user 3 Pow-R3.
2015/03/28 16:13:14
GregGraves
As to whether anyone can hear dithering, I suggest downloading REW5 and give yourself a hearing test.  You won't like what you find.  I certainly didn't.  Maybe playing at 11 wasn't such a good idea.
2015/03/28 16:47:51
konradh
Well, in any case, your listeners won't be able to tell the difference between POWR2 and POWR3, so I wouldn't worry about it.  Of course, some people wouldn't know if you recorded on a PortaStudio.
 
When in doubt, just ask yourself, What Would Kanye Do?
2015/03/28 17:02:49
gswitz
I don't actually do it. I was just coming up with a case.
2015/03/28 20:24:34
stevec
konradh
 
When in doubt, just ask yourself, What Would Kanye Do?




Hmmm...   Probably ask which dithering option Beyoncê prefers?
 
2015/03/29 13:03:21
bitflipper
stevec
konradh
 
When in doubt, just ask yourself, What Would Kanye Do?




Hmmm...   Probably ask which dithering option Beyoncê prefers?
 



2015/03/29 14:40:13
konradh
bitflipper:
 
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