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2014/09/28 14:52:13
MadMusicologist
Hi all.
Seems I'm stuck with absolute beginners problems.
New PC Windows 7, 64 bit. 16 GB RAM, System harddrive is SSD, and there's an additional second harddrive with 1 TB.
Purchased Sonar X 3 Studio, installed it as 64 bit version.
Soundcard: Creative Soundblaster Audigy 5 / Rx. The software for this one comes as 32 bit stuff. Driver: Asio4all.
I opened in S.X3 a file I had made with a previous Sonar version, containing as instrument Cakewalk TTS.
Hit the play control. Nothing happened, only in the time window there was a message saying "waiting for MIDI-sync." ;-(
I'm kinda confused: Do I have to run S.X3 as 32-bit software because the soundcard drivers are only 32 bit?
Sometimes, then trying to change S.x3's settings, I get a BLUE SCREEN. I've been trying out a lot of settings, saw quite some more blue screens, but I can't get the issue solved.
When I open a .mid or .wrk file (I started loving Cakewalk with a Cakewalk 8.0 pure sequencing software that would run even with Windows 98 SE), I can hear the file is being played. Only when it comes to Sonar's internal synths, I can't get the file played.
Sorry, I am a bot annoyed.
Of course I am contacting the CREATIVE people simultaneously, but please, do not just say, "well, may be the sound card is to be blamed, so we do not need to give any advice.
Please help.
Thankx.
 
2014/09/28 14:59:57
adrian.crossan
Pretty sure you'll need 64 bit drivers for the soundcard:
 
http://support.creative.com/downloads/download.aspx?nDownloadId=13176
 
I got this link from:
 
http://support.creative.com/Downloads/welcome.aspx
 
using the manual selection section.
2014/09/28 15:13:53
John
Don't let Cj know you are using a Sound Blaster. Really, all kidding aside, you do need to get a proper audio interface. 
 
And yes the sound card is to blame,
2014/09/28 15:17:40
MadMusicologist
Thankx, Adrian,
You're sure this one is 64 bit? I got it already, installed it, but....
Well, I'll try out again.
What else can I do to fix the issue, please?
Maybe I should kick "Asio4all" out, it comes only as 32 bit...
2014/09/28 15:23:53
mettelus
Internal soundcards are definitely not optimal; but if not recording audio, you should still be able to use it. I would also suggest trying WDM driver mode in preferences, as sometimes this is better than ASIO. Also realize ASIO4ALL uses WDM drivers, but pretends to be ASIO. I had very bad luck with ASIO4ALL drivers myself as they are scripted to take precedence, and can knock legitimate drivers "out of the loop" so to speak.
 
For SONAR VSTs... the easiest way to test functionality is to open an old project, insert a synth as a simple instrument track (SIT), and CTRL-SHIFT-Drag (copy, and keep timing in sync) the MIDI data from an old track into the synth track. There are other ways to check this, but the SIT will at least ensure your routing is correct (a SIT takes MIDI input and delivers audio output).
 
Edit: If trying "not using ASIO4ALL," I recommend uninstalling it completely. Even having it installed has caused grief for some users.
2014/09/28 15:26:27
MadMusicologist
Any sugguestions, John, about the sound card?
First CREATIVE talked me to get a Sound Blaster XFi-Xtreme, then I had to find out that one does not record anything and is useless with a DAW. :-(
Then I got the Audigy Rx, put it into the PCI slot: And I had to rebuild the entire system which was frozen at absolute ZERO. :-(((
So you understand that
1) I am very cautious at putting any other sound card into any PCI slot, and
2) I tend to think that CREATIVE isn't such a good choice. But I like the SoundFont Technology they have, because I've got quite some exotic instrument samples which I love to use from time to time.
B.T.W., as a newbie I might dare to ask: who's "Cj" ?
Thankx.
 
2014/09/28 15:37:12
mettelus
You posted as I was typing mine... if you WANT to record audio, you definitely want to look into getting a real audio interface. Creative will cause you more grief with audio than you want to deal with.
 
There is a free course on Coursera.org that is incredibly beneficial to new DAW users. It covers a lot of ground, and explains things that people may otherwise learn through trial-and-error (which can be utterly painful). https://www.coursera.org/course/musicproduction is a link to that course if you are interested.
2014/09/28 15:48:58
John
MadMusicologist
Any sugguestions, John, about the sound card?
First CREATIVE talked me to get a Sound Blaster XFi-Xtreme, then I had to find out that one does not record anything and is useless with a DAW. :-(
Then I got the Audigy Rx, put it into the PCI slot: And I had to rebuild the entire system which was frozen at absolute ZERO. :-(((
So you understand that
1) I am very cautious at putting any other sound card into any PCI slot, and
2) I tend to think that CREATIVE isn't such a good choice. But I like the SoundFont Technology they have, because I've got quite some exotic instrument samples which I love to use from time to time.
B.T.W., as a newbie I might dare to ask: who's "Cj" ?
Thankx.
 


Any card that is pro quality will do the job. Many use a Focusrite and do very well with them.
 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Scarlett2i2?adpos=1o3&creative=55225946401&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CPObmvXVhMECFQQQ7AodFzcAtg
 
At $149 it shouldn't break the bank. 
 
Cj is a member that has very little good to say about CL.
2014/09/28 15:55:07
John
One more thing before I let you go. Welcome to the forum Madmusicologist! I'm sorry I didn't say this before but better late than never.
2014/09/28 16:13:27
Sanderxpander
Welcome!
And yes, the source of your problems is likely the fact that you're using Creative Labs cards. They are the top stuff for games and multimedia and people getting into recording often initially assume that they must be what the pros use, while in fact they are terrible for music production. ASIO4ALL likewise is a stop-gap solution that frequently causes more problems than it solves.

To clear up the 32/64 confusion - if you're on 64-bit Windows, all your hardware drivers HAVE to be 64 bit as well. Otherwise they won't even work. So there is no way your soundcard DRIVER is 32 bit. However, any other software (mixing applets or even your DAW) can be both 32 bit or 64 bit. That just means the software in question can see a maximum of 4GB of RAM (32 bit) or more (64 bit).

To further complicate matters, a 32 bit DAW can only read 32 bit plugins (effects and instruments) and a 64 bit DAW can only read 64 bit plugins (except that almost all DAW have a way to "bridge" older 32 bit plugins into their 64 bit architecture). Most people try to go all 64 bit for this reason.
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