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Good news Noel verified the bug, which turns out not to be a bug, but a feature. But a fix is in the works.

Noel said:
The issue is that Ivory allocates a voice for each note on even if it is the same note and counts the note offs. Most other synths will turn off the note on receipt of the FIRST note off which is why you don't see the problem with other synths.

This started happening because we added explicit note on management in X2 to address stuck notes with the matrix. It works fine in all cases except when you have duplicate notes which is what happens when you do punch in recording. I am looking into a fix. I doubt it will make it into the upcoming update but I will send you the build to verify on your end.

This explains something I ran into over the weekend in X3 with EastWest Quantum Leap Orchestra. I had a double note that I couldn't see in the PRV and the note wouldn't stop playing. Was a bugger to find it.
 
Regards,
Dan

 
X3 has 2 bugs, one which involves the sus pedal and punching in, which has been fixed in Platinum. The other bug involves the lost note offs and this is the one in this thread. I'm not sure which one was affecting you recently and you're right it may have been the bug I reported, because I bet you didn't use the sus pedal for an orchestra sound.
 
I'm surprised more Ivory users haven't chimed in on this thread. Of course if they don't use autopunch or have an engineer manually punching them in, then they would not be affected at all. But any Ivory users that use a punchin method should have noticed this.
 
 Of course many times when something goes a little haywire, many of us tend to think maybe we did something wrong, like picking a bad punchin spot, so maybe some users may have been suffering in silence with this issue, not realizing it's a bug. Or if they're new to Sonar and had not used X1 or 8.5 before, they may think this is the way it's supposed to work.
 
Well, regardless, help is on the way with this bug/feature.
 

Yep, no sustain. I created the duplicate note when I copied a portion of an arpeggio and included the note in error. When I pasted the phrase, I aligned it with the last note, which also happened to be the same as the first note of the copied phrase. So the note had exactly the same start time and duration.
 
Like I said earlier in this thread, I don't use autopunch, but it seems like this could affect a lot more users that do lots of midi editing.
 
Regards,
Dan
 
 

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Good news Noel verified the bug, which turns out not to be a bug, but a feature. But a fix is in the works.

Noel said:
The issue is that Ivory allocates a voice for each note on even if it is the same note and counts the note offs. Most other synths will turn off the note on receipt of the FIRST note off which is why you don't see the problem with other synths.

This explains something I ran into over the weekend in X3 with EastWest Quantum Leap Orchestra. I had a double note that I couldn't see in the PRV and the note wouldn't stop playing. Was a bugger to find it.
Regards,

Dan

I'm surprised more Ivory users haven't chimed in on this thread. Of course if they don't use autopunch or have an engineer manually punching them in, then they would not be affected at all. But any Ivory users that use a punchin method should have noticed this.

Yep, no sustain. I created the duplicate note when I copied a portion of an arpeggio and included the note in error. When I pasted the phrase, I aligned it with the last note, which also happened to be the same as the first note of the copied phrase. So the note had exactly the same start time and duration.

Like I said earlier in this thread, I don't use autopunch, but it seems like this could affect a lot more users that do lots of midi editing.

Regards,

Dan

This is a very good point that does open the door for many other users having a problem with this bug. I've always felt one of the beauties of Sonar is respecting the many different ways users can use their software.

I'm used to recording great session players and singers in Nashville and the clients really want things to be as efficient as possible for CD projects and songwriter demos, so punching in is the nuts and bolts of this type of recording. And when I'm alone, autopunching is the quickest most efficient way for me to get a great piano track, so this bug has been a showstopper for me. I can't have a client in my studio wondering what that strange roar of lost note offs coming from the piano, so I've had to continue using 8.5 until this is fixed.

Thanks, Dan,