• SONAR
  • Soundcloud interface -- CW Advertisement plastered on my track (p.6)
2015/03/23 14:40:38
Anderton
Psychobillybob
Craig if you think you can post on the forum and get a pass as an unbiased poster you are sadly mistaken, the "bread is buttered" in it's current condition with your close relationship with the Cakewalk company that has your name loaded into the products fx chain, I am making no comment about income or product I am merely stating that you cannot possibly expect anyone on this forum to think you don't have a dog in the cakewalk parade...expecting you to say anything negative or even agree with anything negative about the product is not on the radar

 
Oh, so the threads I've started asking people to confirm bugs, the posts I've made confirming my being able to reproduce bugs, and agreeing with those who make negative comments where I feel they're warranted (e.g., saying "I do agree it's unnecessary for that link to be included" with respect to Copper's comment) never existed? My consistent, public support (and behind-the-scenes prodding) for those who want improvements and bug fixes in staff view were displayed with pixels that only you can't see?
 
I guess all the posts praising Ableton Live for its high-level warping algorithm and audio engine's suitability for live performance (which I endorse because, as mentioned many times, I use Live in my live performances) never existed? The post where I recommended someone use Studio One Pro for album assembly because its capabilities were superior to SONAR's...that never existed either? Or the ones where I recommended Reason as an instrument rack for SONAR because SONAR doesn't included a major league sampler like the NN-XT? 
 
If you haven't figured out in the past 12 years I'm here to help people, you need to re-evaluate your biases. Being on this forum to help people is not a part of my job description for Gibson any more than it was before I joined Gibson. Sure, you can say I'm biased; fine. Put your money where your mouth is: Find something I've posted that's factually inaccurate (preferably something where I didn't correct myself if I got something wrong). As far as I'm concerned, all that matters is the accuracy of the information, not the source. And I believe that's all that matters to the vast majority of people who frequent these forums.
 
There are many users on this forum who are far more gushing in their praise of SONAR than I am. I suppose they all work for Gibson Brands too? 
 
Do you even understand anything about the "old school"  journalistic ethic in which I was raised, where journalists were expected to put any personal biases they might have aside and report the facts? Just because that's not the norm any more doesn't mean I have to go along with it or accept it. I guess I can't avoid guilt by association but I would hope that people would judge what I say based on what I say.
 
Listen up:
 
I've been posting in these forums since 2003. I use SONAR because I like it. I have virtually every DAW on the planet installed on either my Mac or Windows machine, I know how to use them all, and I like SONAR best. That's been my reality for 15 years, that was my reality before Gibson hired me two years ago, and that is my reality now (except I feel SONAR has improved during the time it's been owned by Gibson).
 
I'm not going to lie and say negative things about SONAR I don't believe just to satisfy those who favor conspiracy theories, or don't believe it's possible for someone associated with a company to try and impart accurate information. I will say negative things when they are appropriate, and posts I've made in this forum prove I do, and are a matter of public record. Don't blame me if you haven't seen them; I've made them.
 
I don't need my job with Gibson Brands (my first job ever, FWIW). I had a great career that I could resume at any time. But it is an immense challenge, and very exciting, to work with all the brands - Gibson USA, Gibson Acoustic, Gibson Memphis, TASCAM, KRK, Cakewalk, etc. - as well as be instrumental in the startup of Neat Microphones. Gibson hired me because when I did consulting, I told the truth as I saw it. I continue to do the same because a "yes man" is no value to a company that is sincere about improving itself and offering its customers a better experience.
 
Cakewalk will not live or die based on what I say. It will live or die based on whether its users are happy with the program. For this reason, it benefits Cakewalk and the users if I draw attention to what makes this program great, and it benefits Cakewalk and the users if I draw attention to ways the program can be improved. Cakewalk has fixed several of the bugs that I discovered, reproduced, and confirmed in these very forums from people who understand the reality of how you make a great program.
 
I make no apologies for my actions, and will continue my attempts to disseminate accurate information for the benefit of those who appreciate such information. Those who want to believe I'm a morally bankrupt corporate shill are free to do so. Although if you're going to believe B.S., I'd prefer you believe I'm buff as hell, am irresistable to the opposite sex, and provide an endless source of bon mots at the never-ending succession of parties and events I attend.
 
2015/03/23 14:44:02
Chappel
Some people be trippin'.
2015/03/23 14:47:52
Anderton
AT
[Edit:  Craig doesn't have his affiliation w/ Cakewalk "plastered" on his sig - my bad.  Still, I imagine most of us here know of it and he certainly doesn't hide it).



You were probably thinking of my blog posts, which DO mention the Gibson affiliation because providing articles is part of my job description (which posting in this forum is not). And in a way, mentioning the Gibson affiliation is in itself somewhat deceptive because my enthusiasm of, and support for, SONAR extends back 13 years before Cakewalk became part of Gibson. To imply that my support of SONAR has a cause and effect with Gibson's acquisition is simply not supported by the facts.
 
Nonetheless, in order to satisfy those who think I should add a tag line to interfere with the art of my sig , I have added a disclaimer. It's unfortunate it will give those who are not familiar with my work the wrong impression, but anyone who has followed my career knows the reality of what I do, and why I do it. As to the others, I cannot reason them out of positions they did not use reason to attain.
2015/03/23 15:31:43
BobF
Craig - Here's something a tad more traditional if you like.
 
This article was prepared by Craig Anderton in his personal capacity. The opinions expressed in this article are the author's own and do not reflect the view of Cakewalk Inc. or Gibson Brands Inc.
2015/03/23 15:50:15
Psychobillybob
Sheesh...I for one cannot afford such thin skin, I work with clients who might get offended if uploading from my DAW tags their material, so the best case for me is to avoid this kind of crap...glad the OP posted it, I would hate to have to explain to a client why their material got tagged by my software.
 
Somehow the rest of the discussion has way to much ego involved for my taste and reminds me why this forum is virtually worthless in a professional setting...everyone else bagging on the OP might want to consider how their own clients would feel about this scenario...
 
And for the record I tried it in both Logic and Sonar and Logic did NOT tag it like SOnar did...this might well be a soundcloud ad issue, but I know which program I will use to upload and it won't be sonar.
2015/03/23 15:58:32
SimpleManZ
SilkTone
This reminds me a bit of car dealerships charging you for an "advertising fee", yet have no problem putting a license plate frame on your car that advertises their dealership. Next time I should charge them for advertising on the car I bought.


I agree!
Fast food joints of the big chains, McDonald, Burger King etc. all use 'designer' paper bags. Same for supermarkets, Macy's etc.
Now!
Adult Book Stores, Playboy Magazine etc. are the ones choosing to sell in plain bags.
So!
What are Sonar users 'ashamed of'
Your clients laugh at you for using Sonar.
Is Cakewalk's reputation 'LOW'?: Or, is this fussy trolling.....It is not a pesky pop-up ad which makes you phuck around to --Close Out-Continue--before you listen to the ssong
2015/03/23 16:30:06
cryophonik
For the record, I've never used Sonar's Soundcloud upload feature, but if I did, the tag wouldn't bother me one bit.  Hell, maybe I should just starting embedding that "made with Sonar" tag myself to get fewer PMs from newbs asking: "dude, you're new track is totaly dope! what daw did u use to makeit?" [sic; and yes, that's a real PM]
2015/03/23 17:22:16
Psychobillybob
I have never in 20 years had a client come in and ask if I used/had Sonar or Cakewalk, I have had plenty of customers ask if we used/had Pro Tools or Logic (and this is why I have them)...embed whatever you want...perceptions are funny things to get around...
2015/03/23 19:12:08
Splat
https://developers.soundcloud.com/docs/api/reference
Check the "created_with" parameter.
 
2015/03/23 20:15:35
LunaTech
Hi Splat,
 
So if I understand that right.. Any application that is on Soundcloud's Published application list will get the "created_with" parameter. So this is coded into both the published apps upload feature and into Soundcloud's publishing process.  I guess both parties are to blame for not disclaiming this code to all users... Right??
 
I understand the concern... I am trying to understand the basis of the "outrage". Based upon Splat's shared information, clearly some "understanding" between the parties was made. Did I miss where the clear wrong was established?  Or are we waiting for an answer from both parties. I myself do enjoy an occasional bout of spirited debate but wow we get to extremes quickly sometimes.. With that said..  I cannot in good conscience jump on the notion that the Forum is worthless.. that to me is also another extreme.  I think I am turning into an ole fuddy duddy..  I can live with that.
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