• SONAR
  • Soundcloud interface -- CW Advertisement plastered on my track (p.8)
2015/03/24 13:34:26
Splat
williamcopper
For what it's worth, here is the official Soundcloud response.  (As a "pro unlimited" user, I actually do get responses to emails, after awhile). 
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If you upload directly to SoundCloud using any Sonar product it will show on the track is this manner. As things stand it's not possible to remove this from a track once uploaded.

If you would really rather have the track showing without this message on your track the only workaround that we could suggest would be to re upload the track. However, this time you would need to export the file from Sonar Platinum and then upload the track to SoundCloud using the uploader on our website.

I appreciate the additional inconvenience in doing this and so I'll mention this to our developers so they can consider making this removable in the future.

If you have any further questions please don't hesitate to ask.
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Anderton
Thank you very much for the follow-up, I was curious about what their response would be. What I get from this is that it's a SoundCloud issue, not a Cakewalk one ("I'll mention this to our developers so they can consider making this removable in the future"), and the official SoundCloud solution is (please note, Psychobillybob) the solution I presented in post #8.



I'm not sure we can conclude that it is/isn't a Sonar issue, all they are saying is that this tag value gets passed from the Sonar application and you can't remove it afterwards. The cakewalk developer would have had to code in the functionality so would have been aware of it.
 
The question is does SoundCloud require the created_with tag (check my posts) that Sonar is passing across, either way it's an enhancement request if it is/isn't possible.
 
If it is required then the enhancement request is with Soundcloud and then afterwards Cakewalk. Chances of getting implemented are very small.
If it isn't required then the enhancement request is with Cakewalk.
 
(Edited as I had got the authors of each quote wrong).
2015/03/24 15:38:17
slartabartfast
The model behind Sonar is a highly flexible music creation and recording application for amateur and professional use with a something for everyone bias, and a purchase/user fee funding source. The model behind SoundCloud is a highly open music oriented web publication platform with a free version supported by advertising and user information marketing and cross-linking. It is easy to see who had the idea for this unfortunate collaboration, but somewhat harder to see what Cakewalk found attractive in the deal.
 
I found it a bit strange that automatic SoundCloud uploading was offered as a feature of Sonar in the first place. Inherent in the decision to do SoundCloud, rather than dozens of other similar websites, is that there was either an implied endorsement by Cakewalk or a mutually beneficial relationship, like the recent Gobbler introductory offer. I personally prefer my purchased software clean, and I doubt that there is enough money changing hands to affect the price so much that it would be to my advantage. I hope that Sonar will not become the Quicken of DAW applications with every window offering helpful links to tangentially related sites or services. If it wants to be considered professional it probably will not.
 
As to the criticisms of Mr. Anderton.  I doubt that many readers of this forum are unaware that he holds a vice president office at Cakewalk's parent company--so the source of potential conflict of interest is pretty well disclosed. I have a great deal of sympathy for the position he puts himself in by posting here. As a physician for a prepaid medical plan, I spent a career being accused of denying ill advised treatments because it would cost my employer money. Although the ethics of business are much much looser than the ethics of the professions, I have no reason to believe that Craig, as an ethical man, is automatically or unduly influenced by his employment status in every position that he takes. 
 
As a dedicated cynic, I am inclined to give short shrift to anything said by an employee of an interested party. But as someone who tries to be honest and fair in expressing my disagreements, I try to limit my comments to facts and defensible opinions rather than paranoia. Craig has been one of the most active and useful contributors to this forum, and we should avoid discouraging his contributions by playing the conflict card loosely.
 
And Craig, relax. Not every critique (however ill considered, inaccurate or unfair) requires a rebuttal. The truth is often best embodied by maintaining a noble silence.
 
 
2015/03/24 15:49:39
Splat
slartabartfast
I found it a bit strange that automatic SoundCloud uploading was offered as a feature of Sonar in the first place. Inherent in the decision to do SoundCloud, rather than dozens of other similar websites, is that there was either an implied endorsement by Cakewalk or a mutually beneficial relationship, like the recent Gobbler introductory offer. I personally prefer my purchased software clean, and I doubt that there is enough money changing hands to affect the price so much that it would be to my advantage. I hope that Sonar will not become the Quicken of DAW applications with every window offering helpful links to tangentially related sites or services. If it wants to be considered professional it probably will not.



I don't see the issue, just don't use it if you don't like it. I never used gobbler (didn't like the idea) so I never installed it.  If I don't want to share anything via an app (for whatever reason) then I don't do it (Sharing media or information on other sites is pretty commonplace in apps, so expect more of it.. it's the way things have gone there is no way the tide is going to turn back.).
 
If I get better results via a different method then I use that method. If I was forced to use only one method then I would be the first to criticize, however there are multiple ways to do the same thing here, we all have choices so decide how you prefer to work. Personally I wouldn't dream of using the Sonar direct upload to Soundcloud facility, I prefer to review my work away from Sonar first.
2015/03/24 16:16:07
Splat
slartabartfast
Craig has been one of the most active and useful contributors to this forum, and we should avoid discouraging his contributions by playing the conflict card loosely.


In regards to this particular statement +1.
 
People who play these types of cards are only out to achieve one thing, and that is trying to censor somebody. That is not cool. I don't care who a person is or was, all I am interested in is what they have to say. Whether I agree with them or not that is another matter.
2015/03/24 18:10:40
Psychobillybob
Seems to me the only people capable of "censoring" around here are the mods, am I wrong?
 
I have my own view of what constitutes distortion on a thread and I think I am free to express that opinion, how much others enjoy distortion is completely within their own taste, and like opinions is a highly subjective thing.
 
I do not find that anyone "censored" anyone else in this thread with the exception of the OP being subjected to a litany of distorted opinions about his using licensed products on Soundcloud without reading the EULA's or giving credit for them, a distraction at best to the original issue...if you are going to suggest that pointing out someone elses affiliation might contribute to bias, perhaps you could run that same code over the idea the said endorsee also suggested the OP might be running afoul of EULA's without giving credit where it might be required...
 
Censorship is a two-edged sword and suggesting that questioning anothers opinion/bias is "censorship" is perhaps itself a form of censorship, don't you think?
 
"People that play these types of cards are only out to achieve one thing"...in other words there are those who have opinions that we should never question...for some reason that kind of response does not dilute my original skepticism...
2015/03/24 18:33:19
Splat
Psychobillybob
Seems to me the only people capable of "censoring" around here are the mods, am I wrong?

 
Yes
 
Psychobillybob
 I have my own view of what constitutes distortion on a thread and I think I am free to express that opinion, how much others enjoy distortion is completely within their own taste, and like opinions is a highly subjective thing.

 
And here you are free to express it nobody is stopping you.
 
Psychobillybob
I do not find that anyone "censored" anyone else in this thread with the exception of the OP being subjected to a litany of distorted opinions about his using licensed products on Soundcloud without reading the EULA's or giving credit for them, a distraction at best to the original issue...

 
Well that's opinions... which may be unfounded... Tackle them then.
 
Psychobillybob
if you are going to suggest that pointing out someone elses affiliation might contribute to bias,

 
No I suggested it was attempted censorship (whether the writer is aware of it or not) . i.e. Branding somebody rather than responding to what they have written, and therefore suggesting it has less merit.
 
Psychobillybob
perhaps you could run that same code over the idea the said endorsee also suggested the OP might be running afoul of EULA's without giving credit where it might be required...

 
That's what somebody has written. You may disagree with what they have written, or they may simply be wrong but it was purely a comment on what somebody may have perceived the status of their software to be, not a comment about their their job for instance.
 
Psychobillybob
Censorship is a two-edged sword and suggesting that questioning anothers opinion/bias is "censorship" is perhaps itself a form of censorship, don't you think?

 
If I had specifically targeted somebody in my comment (which I did not so this is a theoretical) then still no. I was responding to what was written before not attempting to discredit anybody's status.
 
Psychobillybob
"People that play these types of cards are only out to achieve one thing"...in other words there are those who have opinions that we should never question...for some reason that kind of response does not dilute my original skepticism...


However I did not write " there are those who have opinions that we should never question", I wrote "People that play these types of cards are only out to achieve one thing".
 
That is an attempt to bend my words to make it look as though I have another opinion. That's censoring my words and then replacing them by putting your words into my mouth (which is worse). Nothing wrong with having your own opinion however.
 
{Edited my third and final comment}
2015/03/24 19:07:35
slartabartfast
Splat
Sharing media or information on other sites is pretty commonplace in apps, so expect more of it.. it's the way things have gone there is no way the tide is going to turn back.



Jeeze, Splat. If evil becomes customary, we should just accept it?    Fröhliche Kristallnacht!
O.K. waaaay over the top. But the point is that we, as decent human beings, if not as citizens, if not as consumers (which appellation seems to have replaced the former two in moral currency) should be able to hold other people (even those employed by profit-seeking entities) to a higher moral standard than just Gimmee! Gimmee! Gimmee!
 
Whatever generation you hail from, you need to find a better compass than "everybody is doing it."  or you will find your children or yourself in the Rollerball (1975) world of the future. You may not be able to stop the juggernaut, but at least you can recognize it when it rolls over your toes, and stop complaining when other people say ouch.
2015/03/24 19:16:26
Splat
Splat
Sharing media or information on other sites is pretty commonplace in apps, so expect more of it.. it's the way things have gone there is no way the tide is going to turn back.



slartabartfast
Jeeze, Splat. If evil becomes customary, we should just accept it?    Fröhliche Kristallnacht!
O.K. waaaay over the top. But the point is that we, as decent human beings, if not as citizens, if not as consumers (which appellation seems to have replaced the former two in moral currency) should be able to hold other people (even those employed by profit-seeking entities) to a higher moral standard than just Gimmee! Gimmee! Gimmee!
 
Whatever generation you hail from, you need to find a better compass than "everybody is doing it."  or you will find your children or yourself in the Rollerball (1975) world of the future. You may not be able to stop the juggernaut, but at least you can recognize it when it rolls over your toes, and stop complaining when other people say ouch.



You edited out my previous sentence, without it you make it look like I have no balance...

Splat
I don't see the issue, just don't use it if you don't like it. I never used gobbler (didn't like the idea) so I never installed it.  If I don't want to share anything via an app (for whatever reason) then I don't do it 

 
Let's put it this way....
 
If you don't want to use it you don't have to do you!!
I don't use it (in Sonar) I use another method equally as quick and simple in my view.
 
Now if others want to use it, just because you and I think differently should our views stop other people from using this facility? That would be a tad selfish would it not?
 
If you were forced into using this functionality then your opinion would be entirely valid. But you aren't forced into it there are other methods. The functionality is hidden enough that you wouldn't even realise it is there unless you looked for it.
2015/03/24 20:19:00
BobF
slartabartfast
Splat
Sharing media or information on other sites is pretty commonplace in apps, so expect more of it.. it's the way things have gone there is no way the tide is going to turn back.



Jeeze, Splat. If evil becomes customary, we should just accept it?    Fröhliche Kristallnacht!




Godwin's Law!!!   :)
2015/03/24 20:55:14
Psychobillybob
You know I would respond but it's pointless at this point.
 
Let the censorship continue...or at least the faithful non-questioning of the experts opinions...
 
I have better things to do than quibble over linguistic phrases and implied EULA violations.
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