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  • X3e AND current Platinum problems dragging midi to desktop (destructive) (p.2)
2015/03/21 20:57:04
jb101
Strange - Just tried it again here - works like a charm.
 
System specific, I guess., or steps being used are varying.
2015/03/21 21:46:32
robert_e_bone
OK - there is DEFINITELY different behavior going on.
 
It seems that this might be tied to where things are placed on what hard drives, and that if the source and target are on the same drive, Windows seems to do a Move, and if source and target are on different hard drives, Windows seems to do a Copy instead.
 
Please someone on Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1 test this out both from two folders in Windows (dragging a file from one folder to the other), where one folder is on one drive and the target on another, and also test out when both source folder and target folder are on the same drives.
 
Additionally, if perhaps the same folks could test out dragging from a midi track in Sonar to a destination folder on I guess their C: and also a destination folder that resides on a different hard drive, that would be GREAT.
 
Another thing I am not quite sure of is how Windows sees the midi track's origination drive.  Does it attach to where the project folder resides?  Does it attach to the hard drive where the Sonar program resides?
 
It DOES seem to matter.
 
Bob Bone
 
2015/03/22 04:30:45
mudgel
1. On Win8.1 x64 left click and drag from folders on the same drive or different drives on the same computer copies the file.

as Sonar gets its behavior from Windows. I keep my projects on a seperate drive, dragging a MIDI or Audio track to the desktop copies the file.

The only time I can get the files to move is if I click and drag them to folders up in the same tree
2015/03/22 06:07:51
Boydie
That is what I was saying in my post

The default behaviour for WINDOWS is to drag = move if moving files around on the same drive and drag = copy if you move from one drive to another

You can hold CTRL to reverse this behaviour

I would guess that changing your desktop location was when things changed for you?

There is still the question of why WINDOWS sees the midi part within the Sonar track as a "file" - perhaps this could be looked at as it would make more sense to always "drag = copy" out of a project to maintain the "non-destructive" model
2015/03/22 12:34:05
Paul P
Boydie
I would guess that changing your desktop location was when things changed for you?



I can't say for within Sonar, but within Windows things still behave the same even if the desktop has been moved elsewhere (Windows still behaves like the desktop is on C as it should since it's going through a symbolic link).
 
I don't see how Sonar could know any different.
 
2015/03/22 14:35:18
robert_e_bone
Well, I did not use that mlink thing that scook uses, to relocate my library folders (Desktop, Documents, Pictures, Downloads, etc).
 
Instead, I went into the Properties of each of those folders, and there is a Location tab.  It is there that I pointed to a different drive than C: for each of them).
 
I do not believe there is a symbolic link involved when doing it that way - though I am not 100% certain.  It IS, however, different than creating that link, like what scook and others do.
 
And, based on the behavior I have observed, Windows is behaving as if the Desktop was on the same drive ans IS doing a Move, rather than a Copy, unless I hold CTRL.  This to me is backwards from how I used to do it.
 
Bob Bone
2015/03/22 23:36:19
Paul P
robert_e_bone
Well, I did not use that mlink thing that scook uses, to relocate my library folders (Desktop, Documents, Pictures, Downloads, etc).
 
Instead, I went into the Properties of each of those folders, and there is a Location tab.  It is there that I pointed to a different drive than C: for each of them).
 
I do not believe there is a symbolic link involved when doing it that way - though I am not 100% certain.  It IS, however, different than creating that link, like what scook and others do.
 
And, based on the behavior I have observed, Windows is behaving as if the Desktop was on the same drive ans IS doing a Move, rather than a Copy, unless I hold CTRL.  This to me is backwards from how I used to do it.
 



I'm too rusty to remember how I went about showing hidden links in windows, I just presumed they were junctions.  I think they are but they're hidden by windows.
 
But anyway, I also moved the above folders using the Properties/Location tab and Windows copies or moves things correctly.  That is, it doesn't (for example) act like the my Desktop folder is still on the C drive.  Dragging a file from the C drive to my Desktop folder (which is on another drive) automatically invokes a copy and not a move.
 
2015/03/22 23:42:59
mudgel
Just to add to my previous post:

When I drag a midi or audio track out of sonar to the desktop it copies the data, creating a new file.

My project are not stored on the C:/ drive.
2015/03/23 00:11:19
mettelus
I just wanted to make a quick point between this thread and the "associated" Problem Report. This thread is trucking under the presumption that a program cannot be made to intercept Windows messages (and they can). It is possible that the new SONAR was compiled for Win8+ and not made backwards compatible to Win7 (unlikely).
 
My situation is that I cannot do any MIDI copies whatsoever in Platinum (so I would be happy to even get what the OP does) but works fine in X3 (identical setup in both scenarios). The situation in the Problem Reports is valid.
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