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2015/03/15 02:06:05
lfm
I just use the 3rd party plugins I have and know well for everything, even EQ.
And thinking I might want to upgrade from Artist one day if anything I need is really in bigger versions only.
 
So, can you remove any sight of PC?
 
I already have issues with Artist and some buttons in console view from EQ on/off is hovering over everthing(hope at least that is fixed in next update).
 
Or will PC be in your face whatever you do?
Looked in config files, and you can move over to using Sonitex(or something, don't remember) - the previous EQ now in Artist as I understand.
 
One thing I hated about Cubase, that channelstrip they enforce on you - taking up half the screen in that dialog.
And looking in project plugins it says 79 instances of EQ, that are not used - so it consumes resources as well.
 
Thanks.
2015/03/15 02:15:25
brundlefly
Yes, you can remove PC modules from the main Track Inspector page and from the Console channel strips with a couple clicks. and save that as a template. You'll still have a PC tab in the Inspector, but it doesn't get in the way of anything. I think that takes care of it.
2015/03/15 02:27:51
lfm
Excellent, thank you.
The tab in Inspector is no biggy.

2015/03/15 02:30:49
John
I don't know how its in your face as you say. The question is a lot like asking if we can remove the FX bin. Pro Channel is a specialized FX bin with a lot of its own functionality. It makes Sonar unique and special.
 
Why you don't like it maybe due to you not using it. But if you don't want to see it its not in your face unless you want it to be. Nor does it use CPU when not in use and active. There is no reason to want to remove it.
 
 
When one thinks about your proposition in some depth it becomes more absurd. Why would anyone want to place more limitations on themselves by removing a useful feature? The ability to arrange plugins in a unique order using FX chains plus the normal FX bin and PC modules thus giving the user unlimited configuration possibilities is a huge advantage. This you want to do without. I think its shortsighted and not well thought through.  
 
Its a lot like going into a large studio and removing racks of hardware because you don't know what they do or how to use them. They just get in your way.  
  
2015/03/15 03:22:42
sharke
I cannot understand how the PC is in your face either. You either have the ProChannels open or you don't. It's just a couple of buttons on the strip and a tiny little EQ display. Personally I cannot imagine wanting to ditch the ProChannel, I find it much easier even when I'm just using my own VST's. The FX Chains in the ProChannel are infinitely easier to work with than the FX Bins. 
2015/03/15 04:09:49
subtlearts
John
 Its a lot like going into a large studio and removing racks of hardware because you don't know what they do or how to use them. They just get in your way.



Well on a certain level, I can imagine that situation - say the large studio had your absolutely favorite drum and vocal rooms, and a board to die for, but you have a rack of favorite outboard gear that you can't imagine mixing without - it does everything you need and you know it like the back of your hand. I can imagine moving some of the studio's outboard out of the way so you could use the ones you like, and ignoring some cool stuff that might well be in there. So Sonar Platinum is the premium environment, but the OP wants to maintain familiar workflow, and have access to  familiar tools without having something distracting / in the way.
 
OK, it seems strange to me as well, to not be interested in exploring the PC to see if it can enhance rather than distract from familiar workflow, but that's me. The OP may have different concerns...
2015/03/15 04:17:56
lfm
Thanks for comments, John and sharke.
I did not mean to be blunt - it's obvious you read that into my post.
 
In your face - I have not used Sonar with PC, but reference was Cubase - it was a question.
In Cubase it takes 800x600 pixel or something whether you use it or not - and as mentioned use resources too on each track. I have a hard time remebering what Cubase call things, it's a dialog for inserts or sends, among other things - and it's huge.
 
And now in Artist you have these EQ that are not going away properly in console view, it's like that since X3 - so a bit disturbed by that now. It's some code in there just for Artist - not when using PC version of Sonar. Unchecking EQ Plot in menu, plot goes away but not on/off button.
 
Testing daws like crazy last four years - and overall feel is that I want to be able to move a project if encountering a showstopper in one daw. Always using 3rd party stuff means I don't have to redo the fx used in that project to move it(waves easily let you put presets in internal menu of plugin, and easy to do). I don't care how good it might be, just that I don't want to be dependent on it. Freedom costs....now being more serious moving to full time music production I look at it differently than just having fun.
 
So, don't be offended...
2015/03/15 05:28:10
Sanderxpander
I would personally also prefer a global PC "disable" button. I don't use it and have occasionally had maddening issues where either I had accidentally clicked some small power button on it or my project got corrupted - in any case I spent like thirty minutes looking for where this awful sounding compression came from. Turned out to be an 1176 on the Master.

I'm all for choice - if folks like the PC, use it. But I definitely spend some time clicking it away in every project, it would be nice to be able to turn it off as a whole.
2015/03/15 05:45:23
FastBikerBoy
lfm
 
And now in Artist you have these EQ that are not going away properly in console view, it's like that since X3 - so a bit disturbed by that now. It's some code in there just for Artist - not when using PC version of Sonar. Unchecking EQ Plot in menu, plot goes away but not on/off button.
 



I assume artist is the same as platinum. If you don't want to see the PC in the CV uncheck "Prochannel" in the CV---->Modules menu. It hides it completely, not just the EQ plot. Same in the Inspector Display menu.
 
If you don't want to see it in the track view don't click on the inspector tab at all or hide the inspector completely. In fact a recent complaint from someone on here was that you couldn't see it in the track view.
 
Perspectives I guess, strange how they vary.
2015/03/15 06:11:22
lfm
FastBikerBoy
I assume artist is the same as platinum. If you don't want to see the PC in the CV uncheck "Prochannel" in the CV---->Modules menu. It hides it completely, not just the EQ plot. Same in the Inspector Display menu.
 
If you don't want to see it in the track view don't click on the inspector tab at all or hide the inspector completely. In fact a recent complaint from someone on here was that you couldn't see it in the track view.
 
Perspectives I guess, strange how they vary.




It's a bit different as I understand, a little bit why I created this thread.
So it's three different screenshots - one opening project on top, showing eqplot middle, and then removing eqplot at bottom.
 
So it's pretty much in my face as it is now.
Link to full size pic.
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