Sanderxpander
I would personally also prefer a global PC "disable" button. I don't use it and have occasionally had maddening issues where either I had accidentally clicked some small power button on it or my project got corrupted - in any case I spent like thirty minutes looking for where this awful sounding compression came from. Turned out to be an 1176 on the Master.

I'm all for choice - if folks like the PC, use it. But I definitely spend some time clicking it away in every project, it would be nice to be able to turn it off as a whole.

That shouldn't be necessary. It not on by default.  

lfm
Thanks for comments, John and sharke.
I did not mean to be blunt - it's obvious you read that into my post.
 
In your face - I have not used Sonar with PC, but reference was Cubase - it was a question.
In Cubase it takes 800x600 pixel or something whether you use it or not - and as mentioned use resources too on each track. I have a hard time remebering what Cubase call things, it's a dialog for inserts or sends, among other things - and it's huge.
 
And now in Artist you have these EQ that are not going away properly in console view, it's like that since X3 - so a bit disturbed by that now. It's some code in there just for Artist - not when using PC version of Sonar. Unchecking EQ Plot in menu, plot goes away but not on/off button.
 
Testing daws like crazy last four years - and overall feel is that I want to be able to move a project if encountering a showstopper in one daw. Always using 3rd party stuff means I don't have to redo the fx used in that project to move it(waves easily let you put presets in internal menu of plugin, and easy to do). I don't care how good it might be, just that I don't want to be dependent on it. Freedom costs....now being more serious moving to full time music production I look at it differently than just having fun.
 
So, don't be offended...

I'm in no way offended IFM. In fact because you wrote a clear and concise well thought out post I thought it deserved a full response.
 
I wouldn't get Sonar information from a Cubase forum anymore than I would rely on information from this forum about Cubase. 
 
As to moving projects from one DAW to another. I have done this often in the past. I was working with Logic and later Cubase SX1,2 and 3 and used OMF to do the transfers. Though the idea of a channel strip that is exclusive to a particular DAW is a concern its also true that as with Logic none of its FX were transferable to any other DAW. Nor are Cubase's FX. The idea of using third party FX is for this purpose a good one but its only one consideration. If you had a fully populated PC and you had spent enough time using it with all its possibilities you may have a very different view about its value.  
 
 
 
 

Sanderxpander
I would personally also prefer a global PC "disable" button. I don't use it and have occasionally had maddening issues where either I had accidentally clicked some small power button on it or my project got corrupted - in any case I spent like thirty minutes looking for where this awful sounding compression came from. Turned out to be an 1176 on the Master.

I have often said that the ProChannel is bad for usability because when it's enabled there is no indication of this in Track View, and even in Console View you don't see certain settings by default without clicking through each one. Shame we're in the minority, it seems.

I don't have that trouble. I have the inspector opened and often the CV on a second monitor. But your point is well taken. 

John
Though the idea of a channel strip that is exclusive to a particular DAW is a concern its also true that as with Logic none of its FX were transferable to any other DAW. Nor are Cubase's FX. The idea of using third party FX is for this purpose a good one but its only one consideration. If you had a fully populated PC and you had spent enough time using it with all its possibilities you may have a very different view about its value.  

Good to hear nobody was offended, it wasn't meant to.
 
Each daw has by tradition created stuff to lock users into their realm, kind of.
That's where my idea came from - don't ever use what is shipped with a daw - it will lock you in, not give you freedom for creativity.
 
Sonar PC was probably a forerunner to Softube Console 1. SC1, which also had fully integrated hardware to go with it. Very simple but efficient idea - fast access to a tracks strip. No previous/next stupidity - directly get to the track of concern. Brilliant approach. But overpriced - just being an SSL channelstrip plugin and a $200 hardware controller - $1100 is overpriced in my view. I payed $300 for Waves SSL 4000 - so $500 would be fair as I see it.
 
I never fully looked at Roland VS-xxxx systems how they do. They have flunked terribly marketing it if it really matches what SC1 do.
 
I have no doubt about the value of PC - but it locks me in - don't want that.
I spent all money on Waves for effects - good consistent gui, good A/B testing on every plugin, good preset handling without looking all over disk for what you saved, built in help on every plugin. When I've grown out of those and know them well, what they do to different music material - mixes probably sound ok too by then.
 
When you strike issues with stability, or lack of functionality to finalize an idea - you raise to a certain level of anger. If on top of that, you locked yourself into the daw in question - then that feeling will take a basketball team of poets to describe - furious is not anywhere near.
 
As it is now - I can move stuff in a couple of hours to another daw and continue there. First level of anger goes down to normal calm feel and being in control again. So it's basically a pill to stay sain - to have this flexibility. I can be moody, and Cake forum have had it's share of that, sadly enough.
 
But I'm really fond of Sonar. Sonar 4 Studio was perfect really no built in stuff on tracks, but going x64 S8.5 was the step to take. X3 and Sonar Artist - wow, it really makes me want to sit all days running it - and I will. It's a joyride, really.
 
I'm pleased with answers I got here about PC - so have no hesitation to move to SProf or SPlat - if something profound arrive. Mission accomplished, I'm on track...

lfm

FastBikerBoy
I assume artist is the same as platinum. If you don't want to see the PC in the CV uncheck "Prochannel" in the CV---->Modules menu. It hides it completely, not just the EQ plot. Same in the Inspector Display menu.
 
If you don't want to see it in the track view don't click on the inspector tab at all or hide the inspector completely. In fact a recent complaint from someone on here was that you couldn't see it in the track view.
 
Perspectives I guess, strange how they vary.

It's a bit different as I understand, a little bit why I created this thread.
So it's three different screenshots - one opening project on top, showing eqplot middle, and then removing eqplot at bottom.
 
So it's pretty much in my face as it is now.
Link to full size pic.

 
Strange. Both the top and bottom screenshot look more like a redraw bug to me. They both appear to be drawn on top of other elements which doesn't seem right.
 
I certainly don't see that here but I am using Platinum. It'd be helpful to hear from other artist users to see if they get the same thing.

lfm

John
Though the idea of a channel strip that is exclusive to a particular DAW is a concern its also true that as with Logic none of its FX were transferable to any other DAW. Nor are Cubase's FX. The idea of using third party FX is for this purpose a good one but its only one consideration. If you had a fully populated PC and you had spent enough time using it with all its possibilities you may have a very different view about its value.  

Good to hear nobody was offended, it wasn't meant to.
 
Each daw has by tradition created stuff to lock users into their realm, kind of.
That's where my idea came from - don't ever use what is shipped with a daw - it will lock you in, not give you freedom for creativity.
 
Sonar PC was probably a forerunner to Softube Console 1. SC1, which also had fully integrated hardware to go with it. Very simple but efficient idea - fast access to a tracks strip. No previous/next stupidity - directly get to the track of concern. Brilliant approach. But overpriced - just being an SSL channelstrip plugin and a $200 hardware controller - $1100 is overpriced in my view. I payed $300 for Waves SSL 4000 - so $500 would be fair as I see it.
 
I never fully looked at Roland VS-xxxx systems how they do. They have flunked terribly marketing it if it really matches what SC1 do.
 
I have no doubt about the value of PC - but it locks me in - don't want that.
I spent all money on Waves for effects - good consistent gui, good A/B testing on every plugin, good preset handling without looking all over disk for what you saved, built in help on every plugin. When I've grown out of those and know them well, what they do to different music material - mixes probably sound ok too by then.
 
When you strike issues with stability, or lack of functionality to finalize an idea - you raise to a certain level of anger. If on top of that, you locked yourself into the daw in question - then that feeling will take a basketball team of poets to describe - furious is not anywhere near.
 
As it is now - I can move stuff in a couple of hours to another daw and continue there. First level of anger goes down to normal calm feel and being in control again. So it's basically a pill to stay sain - to have this flexibility. I can be moody, and Cake forum have had it's share of that, sadly enough.
 
But I'm really fond of Sonar. Sonar 4 Studio was perfect really no built in stuff on tracks, but going x64 S8.5 was the step to take. X3 and Sonar Artist - wow, it really makes me want to sit all days running it - and I will. It's a joyride, really.
 
I'm pleased with answers I got here about PC - so have no hesitation to move to SProf or SPlat - if something profound arrive. Mission accomplished, I'm on track...

I understand the notion of being locked in as you put it. It is something to consider. However I reject that notion. You are not locked in to anything. You're talking about processing  and you have enormous choice in processing; a lot more than ever before in recording history due to the nature of digital audio. I choose to use the PC and the modules I have added to the default set. That is one a way to process the audio. I can also use a slew of third party plugins I have acquired over the years. I am no more locked in than another user with a totally different DAW. I can also at any time move a project from one DAW to another. 
 
I choose the PC in Sonar because it offers its own sound that I have total control over. I could choose a very different setup. And now with Mix Recall I have a simple way to compare different approaches to a mix using PC and or other elements to find the best mix. I can do this within the same DAW. Am I locked in? Not at all.
Think of it as various hardware mixing desks each with its own sound. At present I can act as if I had at my disposal a bunch of very expensive desks to choose from or even mix and match them for different qualities for various tracks. The notion of being locked in would be more true if we were talking about deciding to buy a desk from a particular maker.  But that is not the case. The underlying audio files will transfer to any DAW. But why would I want that? Its there if I wish but I have it all with Sonar now! One could say I choose to be locked in to CW for all the reasons above and the fact that ten years from now I can open a project file in the latest CW offering and it will open. How do I know this? Because I have projects that are at least that old now and open in Platinum just as if they had been created by it. 
 
Yes, I am locked in. I choose to be locked in and I couldn't be happier.
 
  

John
I understand the notion of being locked in as you put it. It is something to consider. However I reject that notion. You are not locked in to anything.
  

You are locked in to not being able to take your processing to another DAW.

John
When one thinks about your proposition in some depth it becomes more absurd. Why would anyone want to place more limitations on themselves by removing a useful feature?
  

It's only absurd if you don't really think about it. Too many things in view mean too many choices which can be a significant workflow obstruction.

vintagevibe
It's only absurd if you don't really think about it. Too many things in view mean too many choices which can be a significant workflow obstruction.

Especially when you know it's a feature you do not want to use.