I believe that in older versions of Sonar (eg. X3 and before), if I had a MIDI groove clip, stretched to repeat several times, then editing one part of that clip would affect the repeated versions later. eg. If the clip is 4 bars long, and it was stretched out to 12 bars, then editing measure 1 would also change the notes in measure 5 and measure 9.
 
In Platinum, this is not the case. If I edit measure 1, measure 5 and measure 9 stay as they are - which means that although it still appears to be a clip that loops 3 times, it is not - it is basically just a 12 bar clip that used to be looped 3 times. To get the functionality I want, I have to abandon groove clips and switch to linked copies.
 
I think this is a bug, though it seems obvious enough that someone must have noticed this, so perhaps it's a deliberate feature. What do people think?

I have just tried this in X3e using a midi clip from the supplied library and making a change in one part of a looped clip makes no difference to the dragged out clips.
 
However if I enable Preferences > Customization > Editing > Copy Entire Clips as Linked Clips, then copy and paste the clips then if I edit part of a clip this changes for all copies of the clip. 

Hmm, I guess I am misremembering how it works then. I just found this in the docs too:
"You can edit individual repetitions without altering any other copies (unlike audio Groove clips)."
http://www.cakewalk.com/D...ooping.14.html#1081480
Seems an odd decision, but I guess it's intentional. Looks like I'll give up on Groove Clips and go back to copying linked clips instead. Thanks!

you could un-groove clip it. make edits, then re-groove clip it. 

Mostly that just wastes my time. If it's not going to act like a loop then I'm not going to pretend it is one. Copy+link for me from here on in.

Kylotan
Mostly that just wastes my time. If it's not going to act like a loop then I'm not going to pretend it is one. Copy+link for me from here on in.

This is one of the reasons I stick to FL Studio for Pattern-based sequencing, but I think I've found a decent way to speed things up in Sonar if it's your only option.
 
First I linked the Drag and Drop options to the "`" key (right by the ESC key) because it wasn't used for anything, this allows me to quickly turn on and off the "Copy Entire Clips as Linked Clips" option when needed. I then linked the "U" key to Unlink Clips, this comes in handy whenever I decide I want to change one of the already linked clips to create a slight variation or change something I want to only affect that clip.
 
Cakewalk should take note of Studio One and make some improvements in this area.

I'm pretty sure Groove clips have always allowed editing rolled out copies independently. This makes it easier to add the small variations that give a track life. If you want all of them change, you don't have ungroove the clip; just roll it back to a single iteration, make the change, and roll it back out.

Sorry, but I don't think it's a good thing. If I see the little 'groove clip' markers then I'm going to assume it's the same data in each repetition. That is always the case with audio and it would be the default with MIDI, but now there's this silly exception.
 
Say I leave a project for a month and then come back - how am I going to remember whether I made small edits in one of the loops?
 
If I want to make a change that repeats, sure, I can go the effort of switching back out of piano roll, rolling the loop back, back into piano roll, make the edit, then back into track view, roll it back... or I could just realise that is a ridiculously fiddly way of working and ignore groove clips from now on.
 
I could also note that the above 2 problems compound each other - what if I want to make a repeating change to a loop in one place... but I'm no longer 100% convinced that I've not made small adjustments to other parts of the loop, which I would lose if I rolled the clip back to a single iteration? Roll the clip back and you lose your other changes.
 
Really, if I make amendments to a loop, there should be some obvious visual indication of that. Or better still, it should stop pretending it's a loop when each repetition is not the same as the others.

I agree with that point. Maybe it has been so long since I have done this that I am remembering an old way, but I thought if you looped a clip and wanted to edit just one part that you had to split it and unlink that section (or else all would be editted)?

Kylotan

Sorry, but I don't think it's a good thing.

 
No need to apologize; I'm not defending the logic of it - just clarifying how it works. As far as I'm concerned all music-making with a mouse is a 'ridiculously fiddly way of working' compared to pressing the record button and just playing the part in real time from start to end.
 
In any case it's working as designed, and if you want it to work differently you'll need to put in a feature request to have a linked mode for MIDI groove clips as there is for copy/paste. My guess is there are plenty of users out there who would blow a gasket if MIDI groove clip iterations weren't independently editable by default.