• SONAR
  • Nowtime marker and counter stops suddenly after a few seconds (p.3)
2007/09/15 07:35:48
ChristopherM
Sorry to hear you are still struggling!

Did you try alt-tab (or even alt-crtl-del) rather than rebooting from the "stuck" blue screen? Doing so would at least let you see whether the PC "thinks" it's doing something else. You should certainly take a look at the log - my guts tell me there will be some useful information there.

Also, it sounds like you did manage to install the v2 E-MU drivers - that message about insufficient hardware is normally associated with an attempt to load an inappropriate session file. I certainly got this message when I went from 1.82 to 2.0. The remedy for me was simply to load the default session that corresponded to my situation, then customise it, then save it. As PatchMix attempts to load the most recent session file at each re-start, you will only have to do this once.

You could also try switching Sonar to WDM.

FWIW PatchMix About in my set-up says -
PatchMixDSP version: 2.00.00
Driver Version: 6.0.1.1242
File Version: 2.00.00.0017

Good luck!
2007/09/15 08:33:52
John
From the help file of Sonar 6 PE

Choosing Clock Sources: SONAR as Master

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When SONAR is used alone, or with an external device that does not have its own clock or timing signal, you use one of two clock sources: Internal or Audio.

When the clock source is set to Internal, SONAR uses the clock built into the computer or the computer's MIDI interface as its timing source. If your projects contain only MIDI (no audio), this is the most efficient method of playback.

If your projects contain MIDI and audio, or only audio, you should set the clock source to Audio. This lets the sound card clock determine the correct speed for audio playback and automatically synchronizes MIDI playback to match the audio. For more information, see System Configuration. You cannot use the tempo ratio controls when using the audio clock, because the audio playback speed is determined by the audio clock.

When either of these clock sources is used, you can also configure SONAR to drive other MIDI devices using MIDI Synchronization. For more information, see MIDI Synchronization. If you need to send MIDI Time Code (MTC), SONAR will send this data regardless of the clock setting.

To Use the Internal Clock Source
Click on the Sync toolbar.
OR
Choose Options-Project, and click the Clock tab.
Check the Internal box.
Click OK.
To Use the Audio Clock Source
Click on the Sync toolbar.
OR
Choose Options-Project, and click the Clock tab.
Check the Audio box.
Click OK.


Best
John
2007/09/15 12:41:43
Marcus2323

ORIGINAL: ChristopherM

Sorry to hear you are still struggling!

Did you try alt-tab (or even alt-crtl-del) rather than rebooting from the "stuck" blue screen? Doing so would at least let you see whether the PC "thinks" it's doing something else. You should certainly take a look at the log - my guts tell me there will be some useful information there.

Also, it sounds like you did manage to install the v2 E-MU drivers - that message about insufficient hardware is normally associated with an attempt to load an inappropriate session file. I certainly got this message when I went from 1.82 to 2.0. The remedy for me was simply to load the default session that corresponded to my situation, then customise it, then save it. As PatchMix attempts to load the most recent session file at each re-start, you will only have to do this once.

You could also try switching Sonar to WDM.

FWIW PatchMix About in my set-up says -
PatchMixDSP version: 2.00.00
Driver Version: 6.0.1.1242
File Version: 2.00.00.0017

Good luck!


Hello again Chris,

No keystrokes were available at all...nothing. No hard drive activitiy for 15 minutes before I decided to reboot.

On first reboot and checking versions with older PatchMIx it showed the V 6 drivers. When I installed the up to date PatchMix it went back to version 5. I'll admit I didn't try to load a different session because of the version reverting back to 5 and I figured there was a compatability issue between the old drivers and new PatchMix.

Mabey I'll get adventurous later and try again.

Thanks
2007/09/15 12:52:18
Marcus2323

ORIGINAL: John

From the help file of Sonar 6 PE

Choosing Clock Sources: SONAR as Master

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

When SONAR is used alone, or with an external device that does not have its own clock or timing signal, you use one of two clock sources: Internal or Audio.

When the clock source is set to Internal, SONAR uses the clock built into the computer or the computer's MIDI interface as its timing source. If your projects contain only MIDI (no audio), this is the most efficient method of playback.

If your projects contain MIDI and audio, or only audio, you should set the clock source to Audio. This lets the sound card clock determine the correct speed for audio playback and automatically synchronizes MIDI playback to match the audio. For more information, see System Configuration. You cannot use the tempo ratio controls when using the audio clock, because the audio playback speed is determined by the audio clock.

When either of these clock sources is used, you can also configure SONAR to drive other MIDI devices using MIDI Synchronization. For more information, see MIDI Synchronization. If you need to send MIDI Time Code (MTC), SONAR will send this data regardless of the clock setting.

To Use the Internal Clock Source
Click on the Sync toolbar.
OR
Choose Options-Project, and click the Clock tab.
Check the Internal box.
Click OK.
To Use the Audio Clock Source
Click on the Sync toolbar.
OR
Choose Options-Project, and click the Clock tab.
Check the Audio box.
Click OK.


Best
John



Thanks John, yes the concept of internal and external syncing I did understand before but the thing that is kicking my butt is why the "Now Time" stops after a beat or two while "Audio" is being used. If I switch it back to "Internal" even with audio files in my project it works fine. Then if I add another audio file it goes back to "Audio" as it should but "Now Time" freezes again. I can still record and hear everything ....I just can't visually see where I am in the project. And I know some "Smart Ass" is going to suggest "listening" to where I am but I like to "See" it too.

Thanks for your input....much appreciated!
2007/09/16 12:42:12
ChristopherM
I figured there was a compatibility issue between the old drivers and new PatchMix.


I think you figured right - E-MU's install instructions are very particular about installing the new drivers, then the new PatchMix.

What happens if you de-select all audio drivers under Options - Audio - Drivers and then restart Sonar? Does the Now time still freeze when you press play? On my rig, Sonar will happily play (inaudibly, of course) with no drivers selected. If yours still freezes, that would suggest that your problem is not audio driver related - maybe graphics driver issues, or PCI bus contention (perhaps caused by a device with latency set too high).

I hate to nag, but have you checked the systems log, yet?
2007/09/16 17:52:24
Marcus2323
Hey Chris, I deselected the drivers and restarted and Sonar and the now time works just fine in "Audio" so it appears maybe the drivers are "not happy" in Sonar. As I said in one of my posts Reaper works just fine. I must admit I've been using Reaper for a few days now and it's very impressive especially for the price.

As far as the log goes....ah...where do I find it? I've done a lot of things on my computer but that is not one of them! Give me a full name for it because I did a search for "log" and got more results than you can shake a stick at.

Thanks,

2007/09/17 05:00:02
ChristopherM
As far as the log goes....ah...where do I find it?


Bear in mind that I am using XP (although I would be surprised if Vista is hugely different). You don't search for the log file directly. Rather you use Administrative Tools - Event Viewer to inspect the various logs. In XP, where this appears in the Start Menu is highly configurable, and I can't remember where it appears by default - try Control Panel first. Or maybe look in help for Event Viewer.

The Event Viewer picks up a number of logs. The two of interest to you are System and Application. Any BSODs are likely to be listed in System and they will be type "error". If you open the error item, you will get the salient information about the error (and maybe a link to an MS help or diagnostic resource).

Also, have you tried the so-called unofficial E-Mu forum?
2007/09/17 19:52:50
Marcus2323
Hi Chris, I reinstalled Vista (felt it was due anyway) and installed latest Sept 11 drivers with out any problems what so ever. I still have to install Sonar and all my apps again but I'm sure my problems are solved.

Sometimes it's nice to start clean!!!!

Thanks for your help!

2015/03/14 02:26:22
oddtodd1
this has been a big help to me, but....i am using x3 studio with windows 7.. having the same problem.. when i go and select internal, the time line works but my file has been sped up and theres cracking and poping.. what am i doing wrong?
 
2015/03/14 03:24:36
oddtodd1
John, how do i deal with the tempo ratio controls? what do I need to do sir?
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