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2015/03/06 10:29:05
mettelus
Have you updated to the X3e patch? If not, the patches are at the bottom of this page.
2015/03/06 10:39:11
swamptooth
Did you adjust the swing setting in ss? I do that sometimes inadvertently and the first few times was just wtf!? *facepalm*
2015/03/06 10:46:58
brundlefly
Do you have Step Sequencer set to 8 beats, 4 steps as shown earlier in the video? In order to post images, you need to upload them to a file/photo-sharing site and link the URL in the post. I'm not sure about the posting error; I have seen it before, but rarely - usually when there was some issue with the site's servers. Try a different browser, maybe. I use Chrome.
 
BTW, while I think the Step Sequencer methodology is good to know, I agree that recording drum parts in real time has many advantages, and is preferable in most cases when composing your own patterns.
 
 
 
 
2015/03/06 11:30:35
Cactus Music
I always kept the parts separated as Kick, Snare and then the hats so it was easy to mute each part. 
 
Recording into separate tracks also make first pass editing easier for me. If you like you can then copy paste the finished parts into one midi track. I always keep the kick track separate. 
 
 
2015/03/06 11:47:27
mcstringer413
"The first thing you need to do is right-click the record button in the Control Bar, and set the record mode to Sound on Sound; this will allow each new overlapping part to be heard as you record additional parts"
 
This tip from Brundlefly I think might me the reason your hi-hat parts are being overwritten. This has tripped me up before while layering drum parts.
2015/03/07 13:25:26
WUTP
mcstringer413
"The first thing you need to do is right-click the record button in the Control Bar, and set the record mode to Sound on Sound; this will allow each new overlapping part to be heard as you record additional parts"
 
This tip from Brundlefly I think might me the reason your hi-hat parts are being overwritten. This has tripped me up before while layering drum parts.


Thank you for the tip. 
 
swamptooth
Did you adjust the swing setting in ss? I do that sometimes inadvertently and the first few times was just wtf!? *facepalm*



I've checked the swing setting. It was on 50, but I moved to 0. 
Still the same issue - One 8th note difference between the Step Sequencer and the Staff/Piano Roll View.
 
I've installed Google Chrome, and now I don't see any errors while trying to post my comments. 
It means that Firefox has some issues with this forum or vice versa.
2015/03/07 15:10:44
Blues_Jam
WUTP
I understand it's just me, the newbie having all those "strange" issues that the real Pro's have never encountered, but...
 



No one is born with this knowledge. Just like you, the real Pros got to be so by encountering all this stuff and asking questions. You're doing just fine. Everyone here absolutely LOVES to be able to answer a question and help someone resolve an issue. The more of a newbie question only means there are more people actually able to help.
 
Keep it up. The forum needs questions to live and breathe and soon you will be answering these questions for the next Sonar newbie.
 
2015/03/07 15:55:26
WUTP
Blues_Jam
Keep it up. The forum needs questions to live and breathe and soon you will be answering these questions for the next Sonar newbie.

 
Here is my question.
It's about that one 8th note discrepancy between
the Step Sequencer (Hi-hat is on the first 8th note on Beat 1) and 
the Piano Roll View, Staff View ( The first Hi-hat note is on the second 8th note of Beat 1).
I've opened the Event list. The HMSF column clearly shows that my first Hi-hat note is on: 00:00:00:08; therefore, until I find out what caused that discrepancy, I'd like to know how to fix it in the Piano Roll View the fastest way.
 
P.S. Also, how difficult would be for Cakewalk's Sonar to show the drum Staff notes by using the proper notation for the non-pitched percussion instruments, not like some bass guitar notes?
 
 
2015/03/07 18:09:10
Blues_Jam
WUTP
I'd like to know how to fix it in the Piano Roll View the fastest way.



Assuming that ALL of the HH hits are offset then click on the keyboard key on the left associated with the HH. This will select all of the HH notes. Then hold the shift key while dragging any HH note to its desired location and they will all move. If you have snap on and set to eighth notes it will click right into place.
 
I don't know the answer to the P.S. question. I'm still a newbie myself. :)
 
 
Edit: Holding the shift key forces a horizontal or vertical movement only, depending on which direction you start moving.
2015/03/07 20:46:16
WUTP
Blues_Jam
WUTP
I'd like to know how to fix it in the Piano Roll View the fastest way.



Assuming that ALL of the HH hits are offset then click on the keyboard key on the left associated with the HH. This will select all of the HH notes. Then hold the shift key while dragging any HH note to its desired location and they will all move. If you have snap on and set to eighth notes it will click right into place.
 
I don't know the answer to the P.S. question. I'm still a newbie myself. :)
 
 
Edit: Holding the shift key forces a horizontal or vertical movement only, depending on which direction you start moving.



Sorry, I did not understand you.
I am in the Piano Roll View.
I've left-clicked with the mouse on the Hi-hat key (ClsHat). It highlighted the whole line.
Next, I've hold the shift key on the computer keyboard and tried to move the hi-hat notes.
Nothing happened. Another failure.
 
 
Cactus Music
I always kept the parts separated as Kick, Snare and then the hats so it was easy to mute each part. 
 
Recording into separate tracks also make first pass editing easier for me. If you like you can then copy paste the finished parts into one midi track. I always keep the kick track separate. 
 



It's a very good advice to keep the Kick, snare, and Hats separately - The old, pre-software programming school.
Could you please describe in short your way of recording separately the Kick, snare, and Hats on Sonar, because its not the Cakewalk Sonar advertized way of recording the drums.
 
 P.S. Just for entertainment purpose only, I've used my Firefox (not Google's Chrome) to post this comment.
As soon as I pushed the button, "Submit Post", I got the following message,
"An unexpected error occured and logged. Please try again later."
I've refreshed my page and comment was posted.
To sum up.
Cakewalk Forum does not like Firefox (with some add-ons).
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