mixmkr
Cakewalk already knows what they need to do and have a better perception of prioritizing.  Another vote isn't going to bring it to their attention any more than it is now.  You are aware they participate in other threads from time to time, and also guessing they read most of what's posted (if they have time)?
 
All the gripers need to take a vacation on another DAW and then decide if the grass is really greener or not.  To say they couldn't give a flip about their user base is about as rude as it gets.  I might suggest you drive to Boston and tell them face to face instead of whining on THEIR provided forums.
 

Who said they don't give a flip about their user base?  I said they ignore their user base on this specific issue.  And that is true.
 
And I will continue to use THEIR forum to tell them what I think of the product(s) I purchase from them until they decide they don't want to hear it any longer.
 
15 years if nice is enough.  Bluntness is apparently in order.

mixmkr
 
All the gripers need to take a vacation on another DAW and then decide if the grass is really greener or not.  To say they couldn't give a flip about their user base is about as rude as it gets.  I might suggest you drive to Boston and tell them face to face instead of whining on THEIR provided forums.

I'm sure THEY appreciate having you speak FOR THEM, suggesting their paid customers try other DAWs.
 
Fanboyz ....

Whew! Amazing hiw everyone condemns so quickly...

I guess i have at times as well...

I havent looked at the links provided here in answer/support of this thread, but i think it's plain to say that one can still download and install in the old way and have all the control as always...

This is a first step towards some new things and of course, it needs more baking... I'm betting there was a lit of behind the scenes work which took precedence and it was decided that the current release would work well for the larger part of the community fully expecting to add more options as time goes on...

I'll also bet that there's an update to C3 coming that will alliw all the paths to be stated in C3 settings and eliminate the need to specify each time as has been the norm...

I think we should give the bakers the time... They are limited personnel and probably more focused on the program than the install... Which works fine though not yet attined to all needs...

Please... I know i've over-reacted to things many times... Maybe sometimes justifiably so... But this issue seems relatively minor as a personalized install can still be accomplished by anyone who has the saavy to decide/realize they want/need it...

...just sayin'

Keni

BobF

mixmkr
 
All the gripers need to take a vacation on another DAW and then decide if the grass is really greener or not.  To say they couldn't give a flip about their user base is about as rude as it gets.  I might suggest you drive to Boston and tell them face to face instead of whining on THEIR provided forums.

I'm sure THEY appreciate having you speak FOR THEM, suggesting their paid customers try other DAWs.
 
Fanboyz ....

sheesh, whatever dude...have a nice day 

BobF

mixmkr
 
All the gripers need to take a vacation on another DAW and then decide if the grass is really greener or not.  To say they couldn't give a flip about their user base is about as rude as it gets.  I might suggest you drive to Boston and tell them face to face instead of whining on THEIR provided forums.

I'm sure THEY appreciate having you speak FOR THEM, suggesting their paid customers try other DAWs.
 
Fanboyz ....

I think "THEY" are secure enough in their product that trying/using another DAW isn't going to upset their apple cart. You obviously didn't catch the drift on my saying either, ....of the "greener grass" concept.

 And you're damn right I'm a "fanboyz"...  you might use that as a derogatory term, but I view it as a supporter of their product and company.  Obviously I'm able to use their product in a successful fashion, unlike what it appears you're able to do. 

Keni
I think we should give the bakers the time... They are limited personnel and probably more focused on the program than the install... Which works fine though not yet attined to all needs...

I have a feeling Cakewalk is smaller than we realize.  And apart from a substantial amount of snow, they also had the latest Apple OS update fall on them and kill z3ta+2.  That still hasn't been fixed.

Roo Stercogburn
I'm appalled. I've spent the whole evening figuring out how to get around this garbage piece of coding so that I can get products installed on other drives.

 
It's really not that complicated...   
Log into your Cakewalk account... and you can download individual installers for each component.
Point each install to the desired location...

BobF
 
If Cake hasn't figured out by now that people want installation flexibility, votes in a feature thread isn't going to help.
 
This isn't new.  This 'problem' is as old as Cakewalk.  On this point, the user base is and has been being ignored from the beginning.
 
Maybe not amateur coding, but definitely amateur design AND amateur release decision making.

Well that's annoying then because we need votes...!


Amateur design? - absolutely not! It works doesn't it? It doesn't do anything wrong and it's easy to use. It just does not do enough.
 
Amateur release decision making?- You could argue it should have been released with more features for sure, but then Sonar may not have been released till June. Fact is it's no better than X3E in terms of installation, in fact it's better. AND you can install without CCC if you have to.
 
I bet your 100 dollars that they are right now working on improving CCC. Of course they would have got the message, Cakewalk probably understood it needed more features at release date but just figured it was as good as X3E installation so might as well get on with it.
 
If the situation is exactly the same in 12 months, don't worry, I will be adding to the complaints here....  Right now CCC is OK but needs more work on it for sure.

Splat

BobF
 
If Cake hasn't figured out by now that people want installation flexibility, votes in a feature thread isn't going to help.
 
This isn't new.  This 'problem' is as old as Cakewalk.  On this point, the user base is and has been being ignored from the beginning.
 
Maybe not amateur coding, but definitely amateur design AND amateur release decision making.

Well that's annoying then because we need votes...!


Amateur design? - absolutely not! It works doesn't it? It doesn't do anything wrong and it's easy to use. It just does not do enough.
 
Amateur release decision making?- You could argue it should have been released with more features for sure, but then Sonar may not have been released till June. Fact is it's no better than X3E in terms of installation, in fact it's better. AND you can install without CCC if you have to.
 
I bet your 100 dollars that they are right not working on improving CCC. Of course they would have got the message, Cakewalk probably understood it needed more features at release date but just figured it was as good as X3E installation so might as well get on with it.
 
If the situation is exactly the same in 12 months, don't worry, I will be adding to the complaints here....  Right now CCC is OK but needs more work on it for sure.

I'm not as sure as you are that they're working on it, but ... here's the problem with the "It's as good as X3e" decision:
 
As others have pointed out above, it's easy to go get individual installers.  That works great for getting most of the pieces installed wherever you want.  Not a bad work-around at all.  Except now, CCC is unaware of the installations.  So not only does CCC need to be fixed for future installation flexibility, it also has to be made capable is being made aware of software that was installed outside of itself.
 
OR, the installations have to be completely repeated in order to make CCC aware.  This means extra work.  Additional, unnecessary procedures or coding that otherwise wouldn't have had to be done.  What does that do for resource contention in the future?  This kind of thing is why I talk about decision-making.  There is an alternative explanation along the lines of last ditch efforts, but I'm not quite ready to call that one yet.
 
Part of my angst is about at least one individual installer as well.  Even going outside of CCC, Sound Center's installer dumps without asking.  So even after doing the individual routine as a work-around, you'll still end up with a bunch stuff where it doesn't belong.
 
I guess whether or not you consider CCC to be OK now or not depends on your personal tolerance level and history.
 
Like you, I paid up front so I guess I'll see where things stand 12 months from now.  In the mean time I'll be keeping my other software up to date and exercised as well.  I was going to let it go, but one of Cakewalk's official spokespersons has advised me to consider alternatives because I'm clearly too stupid to make Sonar work - LOL!
 
I did go vote for the request to straighten this mess out.
 
 

BobF
 Except now, CCC is unaware of the installations.  So not only does CCC need to be fixed for future installation flexibility, it also has to be made capable is being made aware of software that was installed outside of itself.

 
Yup it's missing those features. 
 

BobF
OR, the installations have to be completely repeated in order to make CCC aware.

 
 
Yes you will probably find that the manual installers will all get updated to they integrate well with CCC.
 
 

BobF
This means extra work.  Additional, unnecessary procedures or coding that otherwise wouldn't have had to be done.

 
Sure extra work. But everything is always extra work? I don't understand about the unnecessary bit. Are you saying they should have stuck with the X3E installers?? I hope not.
 

BobF
What does that do for resource contention in the future?  This kind of thing is why I talk about decision-making.
There is an alternative explanation along the lines of last ditch efforts, but I'm not quite ready to call that one yet.

 
There is only one. It's called a deadline. With these sort of releases what we are dealing with is "release often release early" approach methodology (part of the agile development concept).
 

BobF
Part of my angst is about at least one individual installer as well.  Even going outside of CCC, Sound Center's installer dumps without asking.  So even after doing the individual routine as a work-around, you'll still end up with a bunch stuff where it doesn't belong.

 
Yup it needs enhancements.
 

BobF
I guess whether or not you consider CCC to be OK now or not depends on your personal tolerance level and history.

 
For what it does it does OK. Whether you consider lacking in features is another thing. I personally consider it lacking in important features which makes it disappointing, I don't consider it to be amateur programming or for that matter anything amateur. 
 

BobF
Like you, I paid up front so I guess I'll see where things stand 12 months from now.  In the mean time I'll be keeping my other software up to date and exercised as well.  I was going to let it go, but one of Cakewalk's official spokespersons has advised me to consider alternatives because I'm clearly too stupid to make Sonar work - LOL!
 
I did go vote for the request to straighten this mess out.
 

 
:) Thanks... At least you weren't born stupid like I was 
 
 
Cheers...