To me this idea of daws is akin to a guitarist with a song in his head... Which do you choose: the gem, the lp, the strat, the jag, or the warlock! You know which one is going to fit. For me that's the same with software.

Earwax
Luckily, because I use SCOPE, there is no DA/AD conversion involved. It's Softsynth-to-SCOPE DSP via ADAT (where I can add effects, "mash" things up, etc.) - back to Sonar via ADAT. Not necessarily ideal. It works, but direct real time recording of VST/VSTi output would be a superb option!

I've just realized that Sonar will not record anything from within.  The only things that it records have to come from outside Sonar, be it MIDI from a midi instrument/controller or audio through an interface.  Just like you can't record a softsynth's audio output, you can't record an audio track's output either, or a buss's output.  So you can't record audio that has gone through an effect (print fx as brundlefly pointed out).  It may not be such a simple matter to change Sonar if it's only it's front end that has the capability to record.
 
Earwax, could using something like this VB-audio Virtual Cable (possibly several) not give you what you want without any hardware needing to be involved ?  It may not 'look' elegant since audio goes out of Sonar and comes back in, but if you can set things up to your liking (and if latency is not a problem, which it might be) wouldn't that suffice ?

swamptooth
Cubase reason ableton and (occasionally) reaper though i hate its ui.

Hmmm... My daughter uses Reason. I'll have to check that out. Tried Cubase, wasn't fond of it. I've been meaning to try Reaper. This will push me over the edge. Thanks.
 

Paul P

Earwax
Luckily, because I use SCOPE, there is no DA/AD conversion involved. It's Softsynth-to-SCOPE DSP via ADAT (where I can add effects, "mash" things up, etc.) - back to Sonar via ADAT. Not necessarily ideal. It works, but direct real time recording of VST/VSTi output would be a superb option!

I've just realized that Sonar will not record anything from within.  The only things that it records have to come from outside Sonar, be it MIDI from a midi instrument/controller or audio through an interface.  Just like you can't record a softsynth's audio output, you can't record an audio track's output either, or a buss's output.  So you can't record audio that has gone through an effect (print fx as brundlefly pointed out).  It may not be such a simple matter to change Sonar if it's only it's front end that has the capability to record.
 
Earwax, could using something like this VB-audio Virtual Cable (possibly several) not give you what you want without any hardware needing to be involved ?  It may not 'look' elegant since audio goes out of Sonar and comes back in, but if you can set things up to your liking (and if latency is not a problem, which it might be) wouldn't that suffice ?

Hey Paul P,
I'll have to check into this. Thanks for the tip!
 

In reason, in the rack, every instrument or audio track has an option to be used as a record source.  click the box and you're good...

 
Then you'll need to add an audio track and select the source from input selector:

 
record enable the audio track and hit record.  you can then split the clip up and take it into the nnxt for resampling.
 
 

gswitz
You can record anywhere you can put a VST using this.
http://www.meldaproduction.com/plugins/product.php?id=MRecorder
 

I've actually found that MRecorder is really handy for this task.   
 
One VSTi that comes to mind is Tassman 4.  Maybe you have to be kind of a synth "mad scientist type" to use this, but for instance, there is a sequencer built in that allows you to reset the start point in real time that never comes out the same when you try to record it with midi and replay it.  There are other patches in that great instrument that are only effective when played in real time, too. 
 
I wonder what sort of difficulties the Bakers would face to get this done.  If it isn't too much trouble,,,,,, it would be a nice addition.   

harmony gardens
I wonder what sort of difficulties the Bakers would face to get this done.  If it isn't too much trouble,,,,,, it would be a nice addition.   

I agree with Harmony Gardens here. It would be a nice addition, even if just because most other DAWs support it and it causes a lot of discussion in this forum around it.
 
If Sonar could do it, we would not have to have this long discussion over and over.
 
The biggest thing is to warn users when they accidentally configure and infinite loop and block sound output (our substitute some sound that tells the user why their audio is not being routed).
 
That said, I already know I will benefit from the change.
 
 

 
A bit more info on the VB-Audio Virtual Cable.
 
Here are some videos that use it in a setup including KXStudio's Catia, and Carla (both only 32-bit) and Audacity going out through JACK (64-bit is available).  I don't believe any of that is necessary for what's being discussed in this thread, but the videos show the Virtual Cable (though mostly VB-Audio's ASIO Bridge) in use :
 
JACKROUTER setup guide for windows 7 64bit
JACKROUTER setup for live performance with multiple VSTi instruments on windows 7 64bit 
 
For Sonar, I figure the Virtual Cable/s will just show up in preferences as regular inputs and outputs.  I unfortunately don't have time to try this out for the moment, but it looks interesting if latency is acceptable.
 
 

 
I just communicated with Vincent Burel of the above software and he recommends using his
Voicemeeter Audio Device Mixer for this application.
 
To me, that looks like overkill for just a loopback...
 

swamptooth
In reason, in the rack, every instrument or audio track has an option to be used as a record source.  click the box and you're good...

 
Then you'll need to add an audio track and select the source from input selector:

 
record enable the audio track and hit record.  you can then split the clip up and take it into the nnxt for resampling.
 
 

Swamptooth,
 
Many thanks for this! Appreciate it.