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  • Can you edit just with Touchscreen without the mouse? (p.2)
2015/03/05 12:17:32
Beepster
I suffer from some pretty severe soft tissue problems including burning/pain from traditional HID use (Human Interface Device such as mice). Mice are extremely problematic and turn my hand into a clam after long periods of use as well as severe burning in my forearms and even up to my shoulders.
 
This is why I do not use mice if at all possible. On my DAW I use a Kensington Expert Mouse (the name is misleading... it is a large trackball)...
 
http://www.amazon.ca/Kens...rt-Mouse/dp/B00009KH63
 
It is a much more natural and physically ergonomic interaction with the computer. You are just moving your index and and middle fingers to move the cursor and it is ultra precise (great for editing and fine parameter adjustment). This is much better than using your whole arm to move a mouse around on your desk while gripping the device (which also saves on deskpace because the trackball stay in one spot... no mouse pad needed). The other benefit is you use the edge of your thumb for left clicking (which is the most repeated click action obviously) on the HUGE button which is where it lays naturally when you have your hand on the device and your pinkie engages the right click. Then you have two compltely separate buttons at the top for other stuff where you just reach out with your index and ring fingers to engage. There is a scroll "ring" that surrounds the trackball that is really pleasurable and natural to use (unfortunately mine is corroded after years of abuse and I got mine used but I used to use my ring finger to scroll).
 
Essentially it is like just resting your hand on your desk and fiddling around with your fingers a little to execute elaborate actions that are a total PITA with a mouse. It still causes some pain after a while but no where near as much as  mouse. The are unfortunately rather expensive but definitely worth it for many reasons. I really want to get a new one so I have a proper scrollwheel again.
 
The other device that causes less pain for me but is far less convenient or accurate are simple trackpads on laptops. Just dragging my finger around the pad seems to be better for my arms BUT the buttons are generally inconveniently located and awkward.
 
However I'd imagine there are much more ergonomic external trackpads one could use with better button positioning and more features. There are things like Wacom tablets that might work as hyper advanced trackpads but I've never used one so I don't know.
 
To me touchscreen would cause MORE pain and it would be far less localized than just in my arms. Having to reach out all the time to do stuff would wreck my shoulders and due to the full body adjustments to do so would likely bork out my back.
 
There are tablet apps that can be used to provide more control that regular Sonar touch stuff can offer (and have been around before Sonar even introduced touch capabilities) but from what I've read many of that stuff is kind of hit or miss.
 
Now if you want a TRUE touch solution, and I think it might be something I could use, you could drop tens of thousands of dolloars on one of those fance Slate units (Viper?) that are essentially an integrated console/control surface. They are almost like a table top arcade game unit that maps to EVERYTHING and provides quick mapping to pretty much anything you want/need. Not sure if they have programmed in a Sonar preset and really they are for pro studios but they sure are purty and fun to drool over.
 
Anyhoo... good luck with the pain. It sucks. The trackball/trackpad solutions may be your best/affordable options. Also try to ice and heat your tender bits after long sessions (ice for 10 minutes, heat for 10 minutes, repeat once) and see if you can get in to a sports injury clinic/physiotherapist to learn some stretching techniques to minimize the tension. I have a series of exercises I do to avoid/deal with flare ups in my arms. They are unfortunately difficult to put into text.
 
Cheers.
2015/03/05 14:22:49
brunovaltho
Hi At, Brando and Beepster!
Thanks a lot for the replies!!! :)
Thanks Beepster for taking time to write all these very usefull details with your pains!! :) Really appreciate!
You're right in all you say.
I was thinking about a wacom tablet...but wich one and wich size?
Do you have an idea?
Thanks a lot guys!! :)
2015/03/05 14:37:18
Beepster
I'd say get yourself down to some of the local computer shops or even maybe the big box stores to see what works best for general usage. Obviously Waacom may be a little specific for such shops (I haven't been in a box store for ages though so IDK). For me I would try to get the smallest one to save on deskspace and physical movement if it were only to be used for general usage but I sure would like one to actually draw stuff with as well... in which case a larger one would be cool.
 
I have not however used one as of yet so really the best thing I can say is try some out if at all possible and try to visualize/anticipate your needs on your home DAW. I'm guessing there are plenty of less expensive alternatives on the market as well if you are more looking for a simple HID as opposed to accessing the full artistic level stuff the higher end pads offer.
 
I would also be concerned about driver issues so be sure to research online whether people are experiencing problems with whatever you choose based on drivers and of course always be sure to check any manufacturers website for driver updates instead of installing from included discs.
 
And thank you for the concern. Typing does cause me a bit of pain (and used to cause a lot of pain) but I try to do my stretches and be careful so my lengthy diatribes aren't quite as painful as they used to be.
 
I find changing tasks with my hands helpful as well. Like type for a while, play guit for a while, do light housework stuff for a while, essentially just not stay on one thing for too long.
 
Repitition is will what'll get you in the end. We aren't really designed for that.
 
Cheers and I hope you can get your pain under control.
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