Steve_Karl

bitflipper
A temporary problem. Noel has promised that an offline registration option will be forthcoming, and I have complete faith in Noel's word. Don't fall prey to the FOMO syndrome. Given that this first version of CbB is essentially the last release of Platinum, you're not missing out on anything by holding off a bit.

Did Noel say there would be an offline registration for SPLAT versions?
If not then I have a problem with this line of thought that assumes that CbB will address the agreement I made with the legacy company.

I am not being unreasonable or unfair to say
I want and deserve
an offline authorization patch for when the servers go belly up so that when I want to build a new PC
I can use the software that I purchased the license for.

I entered into an agreement by purchasing the license of software from whoever it is/was
and the agreement was that I can use it as long as I want *with no end date*.
I paid money. I just want what I paid for.
It's only fair.

I did not agree
to upgrade to a newer version than the one that works for me.
There was no problem with me staying at 2017.01 and watching 10 (is it 10?)
or so newer versions come and go.
All of that was within the original agreement and totally fine with both parties.
However, assuming that a change to CbB will satisfy that original agreement is not legally accurate or acceptable.
It's a nice and generous gesture by BandLab to offer CbB for free,
but for me CbB is not an improvement or even an acceptable cross grade.

Simply put, for me, (that is for me alone, I'm not speaking for anyone other than myself)
it is a downgrade.

see specific details here:
http://forum.cakewalk.com...-m3747143.aspx#3747143

I don't expect BL to make fixes to accommodate my personal needs,
the same way I didn't expect the Legacy company to make changes to accommodate my needs.

I only expect what is fair and what was agreed upon and to use the version (2017.01) that works best for me.

Project yourself 5,000,000 years into future. Humans have long ago migrated to another planet (having long ago obliterated this one).
 
Are you still going to be demanding that Cakewalk/Gibson/Bandlab or justsomebodyplease still honor your contract?
 
How is it possible that this very basic point - the company you had the contract with no longer exists - is so hard to grasp?
 
When are people finally going to get this?

bitflipper

...I understand a lot of older people have this innate mistrust and/or hatred of social media

That's because we old people are the last generation to have experienced both worlds: before and after social media. Younger people have no basis for comparison. They are far less likely to value privacy, because they've grown up in a world where it never existed. In another generation everyone will know everything about everyone else, and it'll be viewed as completely normal.
 

At 45, I'm familiar with both worlds too. I just disagree with the idea that to use social media you have to give up your privacy, or that young people value privacy less. People generally have a line drawn which delineates what they will and won't share in public. Yes there are some people who don't care in the slightest about what they share online, but in my experience most young people take steps to enhance their privacy on social media. In fact I've noticed that on Facebook, older users seem less likely to "lock down" their accounts than young people - you can click through to their profile and see their friends list, their workplace, their email address and all of their posts. Everything's public. Young people seem more likely to make their personal details private, and are probably less likely to be truthful about the personal details they use to sign up. You click through to an old person's Facebook profile and they're often full of privacy "no-no's" - personal details visible (including location), photos of their grandkids set to "public" etc. 

michael diemer
 
Project yourself 5,000,000 years into future. Humans have long ago migrated to another planet (having long ago obliterated this one).
 Are you still going to be demanding that Cakewalk/Gibson/Bandlab or justsomebodyplease still honor your contract?
 How is it possible that this very basic point - the company you had the contract with no longer exists - is so hard to grasp?
 When are people finally going to get this?

I understand that the company no longer exists.
My specific question to bitflipper was
"Did Noel say there would be an offline registration for SPLAT versions?"

Steve_Karl

michael diemer
 
Project yourself 5,000,000 years into future. Humans have long ago migrated to another planet (having long ago obliterated this one).
 Are you still going to be demanding that Cakewalk/Gibson/Bandlab or justsomebodyplease still honor your contract?
 How is it possible that this very basic point - the company you had the contract with no longer exists - is so hard to grasp?
 When are people finally going to get this?

I understand that the company no longer exists.
My specific question to bitflipper was
"Did Noel say there would be an offline registration for SPLAT versions?"

Sorry, my bad. Please disregard my rather condescending remarks. Like many, I'm getting SO annoyed when people continue to harp on the contract thing. Your post must have acted as a conditioned stimulus, setting off the conditioned response in question. I'll try to read your posts, and everyone's, with more care in the future. Probably good advice for many of us here.

michael diemer

Steve_Karl

bitflipper
A temporary problem. Noel has promised that an offline registration option will be forthcoming, and I have complete faith in Noel's word. Don't fall prey to the FOMO syndrome. Given that this first version of CbB is essentially the last release of Platinum, you're not missing out on anything by holding off a bit.

Did Noel say there would be an offline registration for SPLAT versions?
If not then I have a problem with this line of thought that assumes that CbB will address the agreement I made with the legacy company.

I am not being unreasonable or unfair to say
I want and deserve
an offline authorization patch for when the servers go belly up so that when I want to build a new PC
I can use the software that I purchased the license for.

I entered into an agreement by purchasing the license of software from whoever it is/was
and the agreement was that I can use it as long as I want *with no end date*.
I paid money. I just want what I paid for.
It's only fair.

I did not agree
to upgrade to a newer version than the one that works for me.
There was no problem with me staying at 2017.01 and watching 10 (is it 10?)
or so newer versions come and go.
All of that was within the original agreement and totally fine with both parties.
However, assuming that a change to CbB will satisfy that original agreement is not legally accurate or acceptable.
It's a nice and generous gesture by BandLab to offer CbB for free,
but for me CbB is not an improvement or even an acceptable cross grade.

Simply put, for me, (that is for me alone, I'm not speaking for anyone other than myself)
it is a downgrade.

see specific details here:
http://forum.cakewalk.com...-m3747143.aspx#3747143

I don't expect BL to make fixes to accommodate my personal needs,
the same way I didn't expect the Legacy company to make changes to accommodate my needs.

I only expect what is fair and what was agreed upon and to use the version (2017.01) that works best for me.

Project yourself 5,000,000 years into future. Humans have long ago migrated to another planet (having long ago obliterated this one).
 
Are you still going to be demanding that Cakewalk/Gibson/Bandlab or justsomebodyplease still honor your contract?
 
How is it possible that this very basic point - the company you had the contract with no longer exists - is so hard to grasp?
 
When are people finally going to get this?

They never will. They will continue to demand restitution from a company which no longer exists despite there being no logic behind it whatsoever. I can't wrap my head around it.  BandLab owes them nothing, either legally or morally. 
 
 

No problem Michael. :-)

Other questions that comes to mind:
What actually was sold to BL as Cakewalk intellectual property?
Does it include SPLAT?
Would it be in violation of the agreement between BL and Gibson for BL to release and authorization patch for pre CbB versions?

A clear answer to the above would end a lot of discussion.

Steve_Karl

michael diemer
 
Project yourself 5,000,000 years into future. Humans have long ago migrated to another planet (having long ago obliterated this one).
 Are you still going to be demanding that Cakewalk/Gibson/Bandlab or justsomebodyplease still honor your contract?
 How is it possible that this very basic point - the company you had the contract with no longer exists - is so hard to grasp?
 When are people finally going to get this?

I understand that the company no longer exists.
My specific question to bitflipper was
"Did Noel say there would be an offline registration for SPLAT versions?"

Yes, that was your specific question to Bitflipper, but then you went on a diatribe about contractual obligations with a non-existent company and how they somehow entitle you to something now. The point is that no company exists today which has this legal obligation to you.  

sharke
 
Yes, that was your specific question to Bitflipper, but then you went on a diatribe about contractual obligations with a non-existent company and how they somehow entitle you to something now. The point is that no company exists today which has this legal obligation to you.  

Yes I know all of that. I wrote it :-)
The parent company still exists.
Did they sell their obligation along with the intellectual property?

A clear answer would save a lot of discussion.
So far I haven't seen a clear answer.

I had to re-install Windows 10 last night from scratch in my office computer - remove all files, all apps, everything for a clean install. Doing so underscored that this really isn't such a big deal.
 
I went into my backed-up files previously downloaded from the CCC and reinstalled all the Sonar stuff. What I didn't have, or had older versions of, I installed from Command Center. Then I installed Cakewalk by BandLab, Studio One, and Live.
 
It's true that BandLab has no responsibility to former users to do anything. However, as long as they keep the servers going for authorization of older software, then that takes care of what will surely be a dwindling number of people over the next year. Given that BandLab in general is server/web intensive I would imagine that keeping the CCC going would be fairly trivial. I do think it's the responsibility of the user to download all the products they bought from Cakewalk Inc. via the CCC and back them up in case at some point, CCC isn't about downloading but just registration.
 
However I also don't think there will be much reason to hold on to Sonar much longer. CbB will be updated, bugs will be fixed, features will be added, and you won't have to pay anything. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
 
As to hiccups with BandLab Assistant, it's only been a little over six weeks since the deal was finalized. Think about it - that's nothing. The fact that the team was able to put something together so fast to calm the restless natives and get the show on the road speaks volumes about commitment. I'm sure Noel hasn't gotten much sleep in the past month and a half.
 
 

Anderton 
It's true that BandLab has no responsibility to former users to do anything.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Anderton  
However I also don't think there will be much reason to hold on to Sonar much longer. CbB will be updated, bugs will be fixed, features will be added, and you won't have to pay anything. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
 

I suspect many will see it the same way but I won't 
until I can see that it servers me better than 2017.01
http://forum.cakewalk.com...-m3747143.aspx#3747143