Paul P

SilkTone
Where did the idea came from that you can't use fraction representation in the metric system?

But why would you ?  What point is there to imagine 1/3 of 100mm ?
 
Yards, feet and inches with their fractions are chunks with certain properies that can be useful in one's work.  Metric only supports relations based on 10.  It's very easy to divide a measurement by 10 in the metric system, much easier than imperial, but only for 10 and it's multiples.  Imperial has built in 2,3,4,6,8,12,16,32,...
 
There is probably a reason why the imperial system came about in the form it did.  It was useful for people without calculators.

Your point is only valid if you always start out with lengths that are exact multiples of inches or feet. In reality most measurements aren't, so your 2,3,4,6,8,12,16,32 argument doesn't hold up. As I mentioned previously, how do you divide 7 5/8" into 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 12, 16, 32?
 
Also, you are only talking about just two units here, feet and inch. You haven't addressed conversions between other units like yards, miles, nautical miles, chains, fathoms, cables, links, rods, furloughs, leagues, points, picas, acres, sections, survey townships, short tons, long tons, knots, teaspoons, tablespoons, dessertspoons, minims, fluid drams, shots, gills, cups, pints, quarts, gallons, pecks, bushels, fluid ounces, fluid scruples, fluid drachms, troy ounces, troy pounds, grains, pounds, pennyweights, stones, hundredweights, horsepower, slugs, rack units, barrels and hogsheads.
 
In the metric system, all of those different units are reduced to simply meter, kilogram, watt, liter.

tlw

jerrydfIrish slip-jigs go to 9/8 time, but that's just a jig in waltz time

British slip jigs I think you mean (they are found in England and Scotland as well, the traditional music borders of the three countries have always been very porous with the differences amounting at least as much to style as content) :-)

Interesting.  I wonder how this relates to Aksak from Turkey and the Bulgarian 'limping' dances explored by Bartok.
Also 9/8.

SilkTone
Your point is only valid if you always start out with lengths that are exact multiples of inches or feet.

 
Exactly.  But that's what you do when you woodwork.  You purposefully build things whose dimensions are in feet or inches and then, having done that, you can do neat things like dividing the dimensions up into 2, 3 ,4 or whatever parts.
 

 Also, you are only talking about just two units here, feet and inch.

 
I did say I was talking about woodworking.  But I have a hunch the other weird measurements of the imperial system also have there roots in real 'organic' practice.

While you were busy discussing metric system, we posted the new release:
 
http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Whats-New

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
While you were busy discussing metric system, we posted the new release:
 
http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Whats-New

I find that discussing the metric system always has this end result, so you guys can thank me now

Paul P

SilkTone
Your point is only valid if you always start out with lengths that are exact multiples of inches or feet.

 
Exactly.  But that's what you do when you woodwork.  You purposefully build things whose dimensions are in feet or inches and then, having done that, you can do neat things like dividing the dimensions up into 2, 3 ,4 or whatever parts.
 

 Also, you are only talking about just two units here, feet and inch.

 
I did say I was talking about woodworking.  But I have a hunch the other weird measurements of the imperial system also have there roots in real 'organic' practice.

I know you are probably not talking about construction, but what do people do with the fact that a 2x4 isn't really 2" by 4"? Most wood you buy won't start off with exact-to-the-inch dimensions anyway, so right there you have to pull out the calculator. Are you saying you don't ever have to use a calculator?

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Pulses Per Quarter Note, also known as PPQ, Pulses Per Quarter) is the smallest unit of time used for sequencing note and automation events, both by step sequencers and in the MIDI standard. Most MIDI sequencers allow the number of PPQ to be varied for more or less temporal resolution depending on the needs of the performer.
 
If there are too few PPQ any performance recorded into the MIDI sequencer may sound artificial (being quantised by the Pulse rate) or lose subtle variations in timing that gives music a 'human' feeling. Generally 96 PPQ is sufficient to capture enough temporal variation. However, some musicians like to work with PPQs around 960 or more.
 
PPQ is a relative measure of time since it is the tempo of the MIDI sequence, set in Beats Per Minute BPM, that defines the length of a quarter note (in seconds) and so the duration of 1 Pulse (or 'tick' as it is sometimes known to programmers).
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Yeah!  Take that you metric system you!

YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson
""""
Pulses Per Quarter Note, also known as PPQ, Pulses Per Quarter) is the smallest unit of time used for sequencing note and automation events, both by step sequencers and in the MIDI standard. Most MIDI sequencers allow the number of PPQ to be varied for more or less temporal resolution depending on the needs of the performer.
 
If there are too few PPQ any performance recorded into the MIDI sequencer may sound artificial (being quantised by the Pulse rate) or lose subtle variations in timing that gives music a 'human' feeling. Generally 96 PPQ is sufficient to capture enough temporal variation. However, some musicians like to work with PPQs around 960 or more.
 
PPQ is a relative measure of time since it is the tempo of the MIDI sequence, set in Beats Per Minute BPM, that defines the length of a quarter note (in seconds) and so the duration of 1 Pulse (or 'tick' as it is sometimes known to programmers).
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Yeah!  Take that you metric system you!

Once again, how does this relate to either the metric or imperial system? It only relates to the decimal system.
 
I'm still confused as to where people got the idea from that the metric system can't work with either fractions or multiples like 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14... Or that any of it is actually related to the imperial system to begin with.
 
I mean, is anyone under the impression that something per quarter something somehow excluses the metric system?
 
EDIT: Heh, it reminds me a bit about the fact that many people think that if you leave the earth's atmosphere, you suddenly become weightless. IOW, there is no connection between the 2 concepts.

pls change title as the Feb release is out and this is really an OT thread now.

bapu
pls change title as the Feb release is out and this is really an OT thread now.

How can this be OT? Sonar secretly uses the metric system internally, and I heard rumors that a future version will surface this to the UI at some point. All your songs would be converted on the fly when opened, so this is very relevant.