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2015/02/06 00:59:58
jih64
Beepster
(which I still kind of like GR5 for but I intend to buy the Overloud MarkII bass program which looks way batter).
 Cheers.



It is . . . , and not only in 'looks' ;)
Also you may like to try, Ignite Amps SHB-1 (Free) coupled with NadIR (Impulse Response (IR) convolver) (Free) to load up some cabinet responses, Rosen Digital are excellent, I like the Marshall 1960 Vintage even though it is not for Bass but Guitar, but the Ampeg-SVT and Mesa Powerhouse bass cabs are also no slouches. I often use these in place of Mark (Bass) Studio 2 or any other Bass sim I have.
2015/02/06 10:15:36
Beepster
jih64
Beepster
(which I still kind of like GR5 for but I intend to buy the Overloud MarkII bass program which looks way batter).
 Cheers.



It is . . . , and not only in 'looks' ;)
Also you may like to try, Ignite Amps SHB-1 (Free) coupled with NadIR (Impulse Response (IR) convolver) (Free) to load up some cabinet responses, Rosen Digital are excellent, I like the Marshall 1960 Vintage even though it is not for Bass but Guitar, but the Ampeg-SVT and Mesa Powerhouse bass cabs are also no slouches. I often use these in place of Mark (Bass) Studio 2 or any other Bass sim I have.




Awesome, thanks. Bass is one thing I always struggle dialing (but I'm getting better). I did play bass for years in a nasty old punk band but I'm mainly a guitar player so I have a harder time figuring out what works for bass in a mix. It doesn't help I don't really have the right tools either but I'm getting better. Currently I try to hover between between Entwistle and Geddy and I guess a little Flea (kind of a strange combo) but I always tend to screw up the bottom end (too much or too little). I'll keep those in mind. Cheers.
2015/02/06 10:30:03
Beepster
As to the OP I actually have been trying to do some tone matching lately and generally attempting to get a better feel for the ridiculous amount of models in TH2. It's hard because they use wacky code names and semi vague descriptions for a lot of it I guess to avoid copyright infringement. However I was poking around their website and found that the list for their older lite version (THM) comes right out and names the actual amps being modeled. Looking at the THM list it looks very similar to what is included with TH2 Producer but perhaps with a few more or less items. Here is a link....
 
THM (Lite) emulation list
 
And here is the list of everything included in the full version of TH2. Unfortunately they don't use brand names on this one except for the emulations that are actually licensed (Randall, Brunetti, etc) but you can easily cross reference with the THM list...
 
TH2 Full Version emulation list
 
aaaaand because I like to keep things like this around locally with all my manuals and notes (I keep my DAW offline and I'm worried they may change/remove the lists) I copied those lists into a notepad doc so I'll post it here (sorry if the formatting goes wonky. You'll see there is just a whole buttload more stuff in the full version.
 
At the top is the list for THM then after the double line is the list for TH2 full version....
 

THM Model List

AMPLIFIERS

    Darkface '65 (US): Fender® Twin Amp '65
    Rock '64 (UK): Marshall® JTM45
    SloDrive (US): Soldano® X88R Crunch
    Rock 900 (UK) Clean: Marshall® JCM900 Clean
    Rock 900 (UK) Dist: Marshallhall® JCM900 Dist
    Modern (US) CH1: MesaBoogie® Dual Rectifier Clean
    Modern (US) CH2: MesaBoogie® Dual Rectifier Crunch
    Modern (US) CH3: MesaBoogie® Dual Rectifier Lead
    Top30 (UK): Vox® AC30
    Heavy 51 (US): Peavey® 5150

CABINETS

    1x12 Clst (UK): Marshall® 1974CX
    2x12 OB Darkface '65 (US): Fender® Twin '65
    2x12 OB Top 30 (UK): Vox® AC30 TopBoost Brian May
    4x10 OB Tweed '59 (US): Fender® Super Reverb
    4x12 Green (UK): Marshall® JCM800
    4x12 Vintage (UK): Marshall® 1960
    4x12 Heavy 51 (US): Peavey® 5150
    4x12 Modern (US): Mesa® Rectifier Standard

PEDALS

    TubeNine: Ibanez® Tube Screamer
    BeeDeeToo: Boss® BD-2
    Distort+: MXR Distortion+
    MetalTone: Boss® MT-2 Metal Zone
    CHR-5: Boss® CE-5
    Wave Flanger: Overloud® Flanger
    Chorus Phaser: Overloud® Chorus Phaser
    DDelay: Boss® DD-3
    Noise Gate: Overloud® Noise Gate
    Tremolo: Boss® TR-2
    RSS Compressor: ROSS® Compressor
    Auto Wah: Mu-tron® III
    Env Filter: Boss® FT-2

RACK EFFECTS

    Reverb: Overloud® BREVERB Plate
    Pattern Delay: TC Electronic® TC 2290
    CHR-5: Boss® CE-5
    Digital Phaser: Overloud® Digital Phaser
    Wave Flanger: Overloud® Wave Flanger
    Tremolo: Boss® TR-2
    Auto Wah: Mu-tron® III
    Param EQ: Overloud® Full Parametric EQ Band

MICROPHONES

    Austria Gold 414: AKG® 414
    Austria 451: AKG® C-451
    TechJapan 4033: Audio Technica® AT 4033
    GermanFet 87: Neumann® U87
    RadioElectro 16: Electro-Voice® RE20
    Square 421: Shenneiser® MD 421
    American 57: Shure® SM57
    American 58: Shure® SM58


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TH2 Model List



Amplifier Model List

Amplifier                 Ch.    Modes     Notes

Bassface '59 (US)     1     1     Model of a classic american 4x10" "bass" combo amp, tuned to be great for rhythm    

                                        and blues playing on guitar once overdriven
Darkface '65 (US)     1     2     Model of a classic american 2x12" amp with very clean sound
Top30 (UK)             2     2     Model of a classic 2x12" UK combo with 'blue' speakers - the amp of choice of many  

                                        great guitarists in the last 40 years or so: The Beatles, U2, Queen used            

                                        them frequently
Rock '64 (UK)             1     1     The Bassface made it to the UK, and a great engineer turned it into the amp of      

                                        choice for the UK rock-revolution
Rock '75 (UK)             1     1     An early 1970s model of the 800 classics
Rock 900 (UK)             2     2     Model of the UK rock sound from the 90s
Modern (US)             3     8     Model of the tube/diode rectifier US amp which started the NuMetal wave and is used

                                        in many other styles too
SloDrive (US)             3     3     Model of the first 3 channel hi-gain preamp, once model of choice for guitarists    

                                        like Steve Lukather as well as many others
HeaVy51 (US)             2     2     Model of the first classic commercial Eddie amp
Overloud Custom (US)     3     9     An Overloud interpretation of a famous californian boutique ecstatic amp
Tumble ODS             2     5     Model of a special Overdrive amp made in Los Angeles in the '70s
Randall T2             3     3     Authorized modeling of the Randall® T2 head. This model prodices produces an        

                                        extremely powerful, punishing tone, powered by the "Valve-Dynamic®" technology.
Randall MrScary     1     2     Authorized modeling of the George Lynch signature Randall MTS® module.
Randall Threadplate     1     2     Authorized modeling of the Randall Threadplate MTS® module into the Lynch Box head.
Randall AC+             1     2     Authorized modeling of the Randall AC plus MTS® module into the Lynch Box head.
Randall SuperV         1     2     Authorized modeling of the Randall Super V MTS® module into the Lynch Box head.
Randall Grail             1     2     Authorized modeling of the Randall Grail MTS module into the Lynch Box head.
Randall Plexi             1     2     Authorized modeling of the Randall Plexi MTS® module into the Lynch Box head.
Randall Tweed             1     2     Authorized modeling of the Randall Tweed MTS® module into the Lynch Box head.
Randall XTC             1     2     Authorized modeling of the Randall XTC MTS® module into the Lynch Box head.
Randall Ultra             1     2     Authorized modeling of the Randall Ultra MTS® module into the Lynch Box head.
Randall Ultra XL     1     2     Authorized modeling of the Randall Ultra XL MTS® module into the Lynch Box head.
Randall Clean             1     2     Authorized modeling of the Randall Clean MTS® module into the Lynch Box head.
Randall BlackFace     1     2     Authorized modeling of the Randall BlackFace MTS® module into the Lynch Box head.
Randall SL+             1     2     Authorized modeling of the Randall SL+ MTS® module into the Lynch Box head.
Brunetti Mercury     2     4     Authorized modeling of the Brunetti Mercury head, giving you that elegant and       

                                        evasive liquid metal sound.
Brunetti R-evo             3     6     Authorized modeling of the Brunetti R-evo® head, the evolution of the XL            

                                        masterpiece.
THD Univalve             1     16     Authorized modeling of the THD Univalve® Single-Ended Class A amplifier.
THD Flexi 50             1     32     Authorized modeling of the THD Flexi® 50W head.
High Wattage             1     2     Model of a Custom 100W amp made in England back in the 1974.


Total: 30            45     125     

 
Cabinet Model List (29)     

- 1x10" Studio (US)
- 1x12" OB Wanted (US)
- 1x12" Clst (UK)
- 1x12" OB Custom (US)
- 1x12" GK (US)
- 1x12" Bluelux (US)
- Brunetti® 1x12"
- 2x10" OB Vibro (US)
- 2x10" OB Prince (US)
- 2x10" OB Eastern (JP)
- 2x12" OB Darkface '65 (US)
- 2x12" OB Top30 (UK)
- 2x12" OB Green (UK)
- 2x12" Lane (UK)
- 2x12" Slo12000 (US)
- Randall® 2x12" CB
- Brunetti® 2x12"
- 4x10" OB Tweed '59 (US)
- 4x12" Vintage (UK)
- 4x12" Green (UK)
- 4x12" HiPower (UK)
- 4x12" Modern (US)
- 4x12" Dutch (NL)
- 4x12" England (UK)
- 4x12" HeaVy51 (US)
- Randall® 4x12" XL
- Randall® 4x12" XLT 100
- Randall® 4x12" LB George Lynch
- Brunetti® 4x12" Custom

OB = Open Back


Mic Model List (18)

- AustriaGold414 (C)
- AustriaSilver414 (C)
- AustriaTube12 (C)
- TechJapan4033 (C)
- Cool4038 (R)
- RadioElectro16 (D)
- TubeMicD1 (C)
- German84 (C)
- GermanTube47 (C)
- GermanFet87 (C)
- Australian1 (C)
- California121 (R)
- Square609 (D)
- Square421 (D)
- American52 (D)
- American57 (D)
- American58 (D)
- American81 (C)


C = Condenser
D = Dynamic
R = Ribbon

 
Effects - Modules

___     Overdrive:     

S     BeeDeeToo     Bluesy, vintage tube amp tone from the japanese stomp-box maker
S     TubeNine     This is THE standard screaming overdrive green peda
S     SDriveOne     The classic, japanese, yellow overdrive pedal
S     Diode250     The american classic, overdrive preamp model
S     Taxi Drive     Authorized modeling of the Brunetti TaxiDrive® overdrive pedal.
            

      Distortion:     

S     Distort+     This pedal is perhaps best known for its crunchy heavy metal sound that was featured by Randy       

                        Rhoads in his work with Ozzy Osbourne
S     TheCat             The mighty 'mouse' pedal
S     MetalTone     The classic japanese metal stomp-box
S     Diode69     Modeled after the flannel-shirt wearers who defined the 90s sound
S     DistOne     The classic japanese distortion pedal
S     FatMuff     First introduced in the early 1970s and was used by artists including David Gilmour and Carlos      

                        Santana. Said to be designed after Jimi Hendrix sound.
S     Mercury Box     Authorized modeling of the Brunetti Mercury Box® distortion pedal
            

      Fuzz:     

S     FussRace     The circular shaped fuzz box - originally from 1966. This was used by Jimi Hendrix.
S     TuneFox     Played by artists ranging from ZZ Top to Adrian Belew, Parliament-Funkadelic to Peter Frampton
S     Fuzzblend     Built with germanium transistors, this UK pedal had bold fuzz and maximum sustain.


      Chorus:     

S     Digital     A model of one of the best digital chorus stomps around
R     Comb Chorus     Comb-filtered Chorus
R     Wave Chorus     Allows the selection of the kind of waveform modulating the signal
R     Filter Chorus     Filtered, colored chorus
S     Ensemble     Ensemble emulation from a famous string synthesizer
S     CHR-2             The first chorus pedal for the japanese maker - here also in stereo
S     CHR-5             The modern japanese chorus sound
S     Dimension     A magical japanese 4 preset-chorus effect
            

      Delay:     

R     Digital Delay     A very clean sounding digital delay
R     Tape Delay     A model of tape delays, dark and fluttering as needed
R     Swept Delay     Sometimes referred to as Modulation/Delay
R     Filter Delay     Filtered delays for rich soundscapes
R     Pattern Delay     Choose among a large number of rhythmic patterns for trippy delays
R     Comb Delay     Sounds like an EQ, it's a delay in fact
R     Spatial Delay     Use it to create sense of space in a mono signal, or to control width and thickness of sound
S     D-Delay     A model of modern digital stomp-box delays
            

      Compressor:     

R     VCA Comp        Model of the classic VCA compressor from the inventors of the Voltage Controlled Amplifier IC
S     RSS Comp     Model of a classic compressor stomp-box
R     VariMu Comp     Model of a very famous Variable Mu, tube based compressor


      Equalizer:     

R     Parametric EQ     Clean, precise parametric EQ with hi/lo pass and shelving capabilities
S     7-Band GEQ     The classic 7-bands stomp-box equalizer
S     Amp EQ             5 bands of pure californian 'mark' sound


      Flanger:     

R     Comb Flanger     Comb-filtered flanger effect
R     Wave Flanger     Flanger with waveform selection
R     Filter Flanger     Filtered flanger sound
S     Analog Flanger     Inspired by a couple of the best analog flangers around
S     Mild Flanger     Posh, Classy flanger tone
S     Rich Flanger     Heavily modulated and colorful flanger
            

      Phaser:     

R     Digital Phaser     The name says it all - modulatable parameters
S     Chorus-Phaser     Also here, the name says it all
S     OBH Phaser     Modeled after the "master" of all phasers as conceived by synth guru T.O.
S     9-o-Phsr     The classic stomp-box phaser sound as heard on many early Eddie's hits
            

      Pitch:     

R     Pitch Shift     A no-frills pitch shifter
S     Octaver     A better-than-the-original (tracks better the input pitch) model of a classic brown stomb box
      Reverb     
R     Spring Reverb     Model of a classic spring reverb used in american amplifiers.
R     Reverb Hall     Model of a digital hall reverb from the 80s - warm and rich
R     Reverb Plate     Model of a digital plate reverb from the 80s - dense and platey
R     Reverb Room     Model of a digital room reverb from the 80s - lush and thick
R     Reverb Inverse     Good to emulate that backwards sound
S     D-Reverb     A digital reverb stomp-box


      Tremolo:     

S     AmpTrem     Extended model of classic amplifier tremolo/vibrato - featues choice of waveform, modern or analog  

                        modeled

      Vibrato:     

S     JC Vibrato     Comes from a japanese transistor jazz guitar amp
S     UniVibrato     Got that vibe! Chorus/Vibrato sound
            

      Wah:     

R     Mu-Wah             Totally configurable 'wah' effect with different filter models
P     Crying Wah     The classic wah sound
P     Rock Wah     UK wah - both the vintage and reissue models (switch)
S     Auto Wah     Automatic (input driven) wah with low-pass, band and hi-pass modes
            

      Other:     

P     Volume Pedal     Well... what else? It's got a setting for the minimum volume position
S     AcGtrSimul     Acoustic guitar emulator
R     Looper      A 32 track stereo looper for realtime recording and overdubbing your loops


      Noise Reduction:
    
S     Gate Expander     A dual effect, both a gate and and expander with indipendent parameters

      Cabinet:     

      Cabinet     Based on ReSPiRe 2 technology, quad mic mixer, with rear and 45° mics.
      Cabinet IR     Loads up to two Impulse Responses. Choose from the included set of IRs or import from any impulse   

                        response library. Microdelay, filters, phase and balance controls for extended sound-sculpting      

                        possibilities.
      TH1 Cabinet     Dual mic choice (see list of cabs and list of mics in a separate table), balance, filters and phase

                        switch.
      Amp:     

      Amp             Amp module hosting all amplifiers in TH2. Features SLR morphing and VariFire technology.
      Amp + Cab     Loads an amp followed by a cabinet: matching is turned on by default
R     Saint Amp     Emulates a classic amp+cab in a pedal.
            
      TOTAL     71 Modules

 R = Rack | S = Stomp Box | P = Pedal/Expression
 
2015/02/25 16:19:25
mikebeam
Ok, just for clarification - TH2 Producer that comes bundled with Sonar Platinum is a downgrade from the TH2 you're talking about?  With all of those nice amps and such?
 
I ask because I originally bought Sonar X3 Studio - which came with TH2 Sonar, then I upgraded to X3 Producer, now it seems that I have both TH2 Sonar AND TH2 Producer.  I'm worried I might missing out... 
2015/02/25 16:36:58
Beepster
That's right. What I listed above is the full version of TH2 which you have to upgrade to separately either through the Cake store or Overloud's site.
 
TH2 Sonar and TH2 Producer are essentially the same "lite" version except TH2 Producer came with a few more things. I think it was just some extra pedals and cabs but perhaps some extra heads as well. It is still very limited compared to the full version but still quite useable.
 
The amps in those versions are however mostly their older sims (I think it's mostly stuff from TH1). The newer, licensed ones in the full version are absolutely fantastic and I've been using them extensively lately. The Randall, THD and Brunetti amps (which are the newer ones) are extremely versatile so unless I'm doing something super specific I generally reach for those first. The Brunetti distortion pedals are really nice too (Mercury Box, Taxi Drive).
2015/02/25 16:42:35
mikebeam
Thanks!  Any chance you have your stuff up on Soundcloud or anything so I could hear a little bit of what they sound like?
2015/02/25 17:00:44
pentimentosound
Thanks Beepster! WOW That was exactly what I wanted to know about upgrading. Now if someone (hint hint) could do that for the Breverb upgrade to full, that would take care of that for me!
Great review and feedback, Beepster and Sidroe!
 
@ mikebeam    The upgrade Beepster is talking about is another $99 at the CW store (bottom of the page)
https://shop.cakewalk.com/1244/catalog/category.60465/language.en/currency.USD/?id=WYDmpidsof
 
Michael
....wow!
2015/02/25 17:03:28
Beepster
This is something I did a while back using TH2 but I think I was using mostly the older models and I didn't really know how to use TH2 as well as I do now. There are a few mix problems too but the guitars sound pretty good.
 
https://soundcloud.com/user432042324/beeps-creep-remix-bass-fix
 
From there you can check out the AC/DC Malcom Young amp test I did (someone was trying to find that tone so I gave it a shot) which is just layered guits going through the Randall Plexi. The other metal song on there is REALLY old (first live tracking I did in Sonar) and I used GR5. Gotta remix that one and I'll probably swap out the sim.
 
Then there is this tune the CHC asked me to play on and we just finished the other day...
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Karyns-Got-A-Gun-Aerosmith-cover-m3178897.aspx#3180929
 
I played all the rhtyhm guits myself. The clean sound at the start is goign throuhg the Darkface model with the Acoustic Simulator and a touch of chorus (I used the rack unit). I did however use my Traynor amp's DI as the input so SOME of the tone is coming from that but not much.
 
The gritty rhythm guits I used a dual amp setup using the newer model (Brunetti and Randall I think) and the Taxi Drive distortion pedal. I blended them into a Brunetti cab and did a bunch of mic tweaking.
 
The lead guits were done by another fellow and were REALLY hot and kind of crackly. They already had some effects on them. I EQd out the crackliness and ran it all through various instance of TH2 (lower parts, higher parts and the solo were all ran through their own instance). Again I was using newer models. For the solo which was already super wet with effects I just ran it through a cabinet to give it some "room" and to make it sound more natural. I kind of rushed that though and think I could have gotten the solo sounding a little better but it fits the mix WAY better than it did originally.
 
Cheers!
2015/02/25 17:09:06
mikebeam
Ummm...  Those are amazing!  I like Beepster Creep!  If I could get even close to that I'd be pumped!
 
So - I'm pretty new to recording.  Are you just running a 1/4" from your guitar into an interface?  Any other hardware involved?
2015/02/25 17:17:54
Beepster
Thanks! :-)
 
For Beepster Creep I THINK I went straight into the interface. I have a Scarlett 18i6 which has a half decent Hi-Z. Still it's not as good as a proper guitar pre so I've been doing stuff like recording the clean output from either my Line6 Duoverb head (which has two XLR outs) or my Traynor TS140 (one XLR out). Then I take those signals and run them through TH2. It makes things a little easier to dial in that way because I'm not fighting to fix the interface DI sound (which is the biggest problem with sims). I've also started running the XLR output from those amps into my old Mackie mixer which allows me to pad/EQ the signal more if need be. The pres on the Mackie sound really good too so I think it adds a nice bit of sparkle to things and the EQ.
 
However sometimes I'm feeling lazy and still plug straight into the interface and TH2. Still sounds great.
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