paulo

Anderton

paulo
 
Kind of sucks though that you've so recently been pushing what amounts to half an upgrade based on promises of future goodies over the coming year and yet the first thing you announce has a price tag that's almost as much as people just paid for the upgrade ??
 

Consider this:
 
"You can purchase the bundle today for only $99 and that includes all Mac/PC formats (VST, VST3, AU, AAX, RTAS and ProChannel)."
 
Please be aware that Cakewalk sells products other than SONAR. The CA-2A is cross-platform and has sold very well because, well, it's pretty awesome. Cakewalk is clearly interested in offering something to Mac and non-SONAR users, while offering the bonus of ProChannel support if you are a SONAR user.
 
This is very different from a Cakewalk-created upgrade to SONAR that's part of the membership program.
 
As to the cost, I can quibble over whether a price that's 66% of the upgrade is "almost" as much, but Cakewalk is not going to undercut Boz Digital Labs' pricing. However, you DO receive a ProChannel version, which the Boz package does not include. [edit: apparently now it does]
 

 
Consider this:
 
My comment wasn't addressed to you. Open questions I'm more than happy to hear anything you may have to say, but comments addressed to specific people are exactly that.

 
If you don't want to present an opinion for comment in a public forum and did not want the public to comment, you should have sent a Private Message.
 

You regularly point out that you don't actually work for CW so I don't see why you feel the need to answer on their behalf all the time.

 
I work with Cakewalk, the same way I work with all the Gibson Brands. As to "all the time," does that also include my asking people to confirm bugs I've found, confirming issues other people have found, or offering assistance on how to get their systems working?
 
The reason why I'm here so much right now is that Cakewalk has been overwhelmed by a confluence of events including CES, NAMM, new launches, preparing the February update, dealing with multiple snowstorms, making modifications to distribution channels, etc. I feel the need to assist people I respect and who are working very hard, especially in light of what I consider a dismissive and inaccurate comment: "Kind of sucks though that you've so recently been pushing what amounts to half an upgrade based on promises of future goodies."
 

I'm well aware that CW sell other products and FWIW I have no idea if this particular product is good value or not, it may well be excellent, it might be the best plug-in in the whole universe, my point was that the timing is a bit lousy given that the upgrade pricing was based on a few minor modifications

 
Here is where I disagree, and I wonder if you've actually used Platinum. I see no way that VocalSync, MixRecall, re-vamping the MIDI PRV in multiple ways, augmenting the VST3 implementation with multiple inputs, writing new algorithms for AudioSnap, the new Control Bar, 16 amps that are getting highly favorable reviews, a large number of fixes under the hood (many in response to specific forum requests), Convolution Reverb, etc. consists of "minor modifications." Therefore I think your premise is invalid, which is why I responded.
 

but otherwise mostly promises of good things to come that will be included in what has already been paid, then the very first new thing announced has a price tag. That's all.

 
All the items I mentioned above are new.
 

Sonar Platinum upgrade from X3 Pro is on sale at $125, so yeah $99 is pretty near to that. I think most people would consider 80% of something to be most of it, but hey I'm sure I'm wrong about that too.

 
No, I would consider $99 close to $125 as well. But when I looked for the upgrade price, here is what I found. I based my reply on that.
 

 

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]

paulo

Anderton

paulo
 
Kind of sucks though that you've so recently been pushing what amounts to half an upgrade based on promises of future goodies over the coming year and yet the first thing you announce has a price tag that's almost as much as people just paid for the upgrade ??
 

Consider this:
 
"You can purchase the bundle today for only $99 and that includes all Mac/PC formats (VST, VST3, AU, AAX, RTAS and ProChannel)."
 
Please be aware that Cakewalk sells products other than SONAR. The CA-2A is cross-platform and has sold very well because, well, it's pretty awesome. Cakewalk is clearly interested in offering something to Mac and non-SONAR users, while offering the bonus of ProChannel support if you are a SONAR user.
 
This is very different from a Cakewalk-created upgrade to SONAR that's part of the membership program.
 
As to the cost, I can quibble over whether a price that's 66% of the upgrade is "almost" as much, but Cakewalk is not going to undercut Boz Digital Labs' pricing. However, you DO receive a ProChannel version, which the Boz package does not include. [edit: apparently now it does]
 
 
 

Consider this:
 
My comment wasn't addressed to you. Open questions I'm more than happy to hear anything you may have to say, but comments addressed to specific people are exactly that. You regularly point out that you don't actually work for CW so I don't see why you feel the need to answer on their behalf all the time.
 
I'm well aware that CW sell other products and FWIW I have no idea if this particular product is good value or not, it may well be excellent, it might be the best plug-in in the whole universe, my point was that the timing is a bit lousy given that the upgrade pricing was based on a few minor modifications, but otherwise mostly promises of good things to come that will be included in what has already been paid, then the very first new thing announced has a price tag. That's all.
 
Sonar Platinum upgrade from X3 Pro is on sale at $125, so yeah $99 is pretty near to that. I think most people would consider 80% of something to be most of it, but hey I'm sure I'm wrong about that too.
 
 

We feel the upgrade is a great value and is more than just a few modifications. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion and everyone must judge value for themselves. For example, anyone who does a lot of vocal work will probably find VocalSync to be extremely useful. Anyone who loves drums and drum programming will immediately see value in getting three more AD2 kits. I think you could look at it the opposite way and what a great value our upgrades have been over the years. $149 for an upgrade is on the lower side of upgrade pricing for most DAWs. Just my opinion. 

Thank you for responding Andrew. We'll have to agree to differ right now re the upgrade value. Maybe I was spoiled by X3 which I thought was great value, even though it was a big price hike over the usual upgrade figure at the time, so I'm not just one of those that only comes here to knock everything, but based on X3 I just thought that this one, at least so far, is a bit...meh tbh and thought it might have been better to deliver some of the promised included freebies before announcing new extras that come with a price tag that's all. JMO and all that. I look forward to having my mind changed.

 

twoifbysea
Can we get screenshots of the PC modules. The only one I can find is the compressor.

I was disappointed when I opened up the EQ and Comp in Prochannel. It does not look like the screenshots in the Cakewalk site and eliminates some of the functionality in both modules. In addition, the Expander portion of the Comp/Expander is not shown. If you want the full functionality, you have to open it up in the FX chain, which kind of defeats the purpose of having it a ProChannel module.
 
I have asked Andrew about this, but he has not replied yet. I'm hoping I did something wrong in the setup.
 
Walt

For those that have purchased this, I'd be curious on your thougths re: comparison with the CA2A, even though they're different animals, what are the practical and subjective differences? 

paulo

Anderton

paulo
 
Kind of sucks though that you've so recently been pushing what amounts to half an upgrade based on promises of future goodies over the coming year and yet the first thing you announce has a price tag that's almost as much as people just paid for the upgrade ??
 

Consider this:
 
"You can purchase the bundle today for only $99 and that includes all Mac/PC formats (VST, VST3, AU, AAX, RTAS and ProChannel)."
 
Please be aware that Cakewalk sells products other than SONAR. The CA-2A is cross-platform and has sold very well because, well, it's pretty awesome. Cakewalk is clearly interested in offering something to Mac and non-SONAR users, while offering the bonus of ProChannel support if you are a SONAR user.
 
This is very different from a Cakewalk-created upgrade to SONAR that's part of the membership program.
 
As to the cost, I can quibble over whether a price that's 66% of the upgrade is "almost" as much, but Cakewalk is not going to undercut Boz Digital Labs' pricing. However, you DO receive a ProChannel version, which the Boz package does not include. [edit: apparently now it does]
 
 
 

Consider this:
 
My comment wasn't addressed to you. Open questions I'm more than happy to hear anything you may have to say, but comments addressed to specific people are exactly that. You regularly point out that you don't actually work for CW so I don't see why you feel the need to answer on their behalf all the time.
 
I'm well aware that CW sell other products and FWIW I have no idea if this particular product is good value or not, it may well be excellent, it might be the best plug-in in the whole universe, my point was that the timing is a bit lousy given that the upgrade pricing was based on a few minor modifications, but otherwise mostly promises of good things to come that will be included in what has already been paid, then the very first new thing announced has a price tag. That's all.
 
Sonar Platinum upgrade from X3 Pro is on sale at $125, so yeah $99 is pretty near to that. I think most people would consider 80% of something to be most of it, but hey I'm sure I'm wrong about that too.
 
 

I usually don't chime in on such discussions, and I'm sincerely not looking to start an argument, but this comment reads with a considerable amount of tone.  Given Craig's efforts on this forum, your point could have been made with much more tact.  Maybe it's just writing style. 

Since this is a VST, will it work with X1d Producer?  I don't have any special Pro Channel modules.

karma1959

paulo

Anderton

paulo
 
Kind of sucks though that you've so recently been pushing what amounts to half an upgrade based on promises of future goodies over the coming year and yet the first thing you announce has a price tag that's almost as much as people just paid for the upgrade ??
 

Consider this:
 
"You can purchase the bundle today for only $99 and that includes all Mac/PC formats (VST, VST3, AU, AAX, RTAS and ProChannel)."
 
Please be aware that Cakewalk sells products other than SONAR. The CA-2A is cross-platform and has sold very well because, well, it's pretty awesome. Cakewalk is clearly interested in offering something to Mac and non-SONAR users, while offering the bonus of ProChannel support if you are a SONAR user.
 
This is very different from a Cakewalk-created upgrade to SONAR that's part of the membership program.
 
As to the cost, I can quibble over whether a price that's 66% of the upgrade is "almost" as much, but Cakewalk is not going to undercut Boz Digital Labs' pricing. However, you DO receive a ProChannel version, which the Boz package does not include. [edit: apparently now it does]
 
 
 

Consider this:
 
My comment wasn't addressed to you. Open questions I'm more than happy to hear anything you may have to say, but comments addressed to specific people are exactly that. You regularly point out that you don't actually work for CW so I don't see why you feel the need to answer on their behalf all the time.
 
I'm well aware that CW sell other products and FWIW I have no idea if this particular product is good value or not, it may well be excellent, it might be the best plug-in in the whole universe, my point was that the timing is a bit lousy given that the upgrade pricing was based on a few minor modifications, but otherwise mostly promises of good things to come that will be included in what has already been paid, then the very first new thing announced has a price tag. That's all.
 
Sonar Platinum upgrade from X3 Pro is on sale at $125, so yeah $99 is pretty near to that. I think most people would consider 80% of something to be most of it, but hey I'm sure I'm wrong about that too.
 
 

I usually don't chime in on such discussions, and I'm sincerely not looking to start an argument, but this comment reads with a considerable amount of tone.  Given Craig's efforts on this forum, your point could have been made with much more tact.  Maybe it's just writing style. 

I'm glad that you mention that and I too wasn't looking to start a fight either, which is why I haven't responded to his subsequent reply to my comment. I agree that Craig makes many commendable efforts on this forum, but to me he can also come across as really quite arrogant and overly dismissive of any opinion that doesn't concur with his or the CW party line and it isn't the first time he has done this to me, therefore any "tone" I used is the same to me as that which I received in response to my initial post, (which wasn't even addressed to him in the first place).  I wrote in the same manner as he addressed me.  I treat people the way they treat me. Simples.

karma1959
For those that have purchased this, I'd be curious on your thougths re: comparison with the CA2A, even though they're different animals, what are the practical and subjective differences?

Hi karma1959
I'll take a stab at it. See my post a bit earlier in the thread for my impressions on the Bendeth. Practical uses for me with this plug are probably mostly busses, but I could totally see me dropping this in on overheads or ac.git....heck, maybe even bass, though I generally prefer a faster attack for that (1176 or similar). I don't know that it'll do much time on vox tracks for me...I kinda like an LA2A-type, or an 1176 first for peak handling and then an LA2A...anything is possible though. It's certainly a colored compressor, so I don't know that it'll see too much time on my 2-buss, but it does a particular thing on the drum bus that I can see being really useful. For me it's really the frequency emphasis and attack/release curves that makes it unique so far. I'll hafta play with it a bit more before I come up with any more useful stuff, but that's my impression so far.
Dean

Paulo, I do realize my writing style can often seem curt because I don't have a lot of time. Also it may appear sometimes that I'm "talking down" to someone because I have no idea what their level is or their understanding of the company's product line.  However I can assure you the following was not intended to be "quite arrogant and overly dismissive," and I honestly don't know if others would interpret it as such:
 
Consider this:
 
[quote from the OP]"You can purchase the bundle today for only $99 and that includes all Mac/PC formats (VST, VST3, AU, AAX, RTAS and ProChannel)."
 
Please be aware that Cakewalk sells products other than SONAR. The CA-2A is cross-platform and has sold very well because, well, it's pretty awesome. Cakewalk is clearly interested in offering something to Mac and non-SONAR users, while offering the bonus of ProChannel support if you are a SONAR user.
 
This is very different from a Cakewalk-created upgrade to SONAR that's part of the membership program.
 
As to the cost, I can quibble over whether a price that's 66% of the upgrade is "almost" as much, but Cakewalk is not going to undercut Boz Digital Labs' pricing. However, you DO receive a ProChannel version, which the Boz package does not include. [edit: apparently now it does]
 
I'm just not seeing that as arrogant or dismissive; I answered your question factually (well okay, I threw in the "awesome" comment to lighten things up a bit). Nor do I feel I wrote in the same manner as the statement to which I was replying:
 
"Kind of sucks though that you've so recently been pushing what amounts to half an upgrade based on promises of future goodies over the coming year and yet the first thing you announce has a price tag that's almost as much as people just paid for the upgrade ??"
 
However as I've said text-only is a poor medium for communication. Maybe you were saying the above in a sort of flip Bill & Ted "Whoa, it kinda sucks, dude!" fashion or maybe you were saying it with venom through clenched teeth. Or somewhere in between. I don't know. That's why I responded in what at least I thought was a neutral, factual manner.

I think somehow a few have bought into the idea that the subscription was going to give you additions and updates every month. I don't think there will be much showing up for a while, but what happens over the next twelve months will determine the success of the subscription idea. Time will tell, but patience might be worth considering.