• SONAR
  • Metronom accenting for 12/8 feel
2015/02/24 11:45:05
mdages
Is there a way to set the metronom to accent a 12/8 with litte bit more real triplet feel.
 
When I set to 12/8 the metronom counts:
 
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 ...
 
but what I want is:
 
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4...
 
Sonar metronom seems not to have any pattern features like in Digital Performer or Offbeat Accenting like in some other DAW's.
 
And tips to achieve some other kind of accenting as only on the 1.
 
 
_Markus
2015/02/24 12:11:29
jamesg1213
Set it to 3/4 but play in 12/8?
2015/02/24 12:17:54
RobertB
Yes, that's exactly what it does. The emphasis is only on the first beat.
The best solution is to create your own click track. You can adjust the velocity to emphasize 1,4,7,etc in PRV.
I like to use wood blocks for hi/lo because it is a pleasant tone that generally doesn't get masked by other percussion.
You can also set the metronome to 3/4 and raise the BPM. This is what I usually do.
I do a lot of 6/8, so I set the metronome to 3/4 and double the BPM.
If you are recording live input (instruments or VSTi's) this works fine, but the measures will obviously be incorrectly shown on your screen.
 
2015/02/24 12:30:47
jerrydf
I'd go for 4/4; 12/8 is basically four triplets every bar. But RobertB is right - create your own click/percussion track.  I never use the metronome.
2015/02/24 13:49:51
tlw
The accenting scheme Sonar uses for 12/8 is the "correct" one for classical music theory, 12 beats in a bar with the emphasis on the first then declining through the rest of the bar.

Blues and most African style 12/8 or English/Scots/Irish traditional 6/8 or 9/8 jigs are best handled by setting the time signature to 4/4, 2/4 or 3/4 then thinking in quaver triplets.
2015/02/24 15:38:19
czyky
Lots of ways to skin a cat. Quickest way to get your 1-2-3 accents with the metronome would be to temporarily change time signature to 3/8 for recording, then change back to 12/8. (No need to change tempo.)
 
Related to getting a triple feel with the beat: A visual shortcoming with Sonar is that Piano Roll View mostly shows grids in a duple feel--so 12/8 is 6 sets of 2, 6/8 is 3 sets of 2 (fine for, say, a South American feel ala Ginastera) which confuses me when I see it, so I ALSO turn off "Show vertical gridlines" when I'm recording with a triple feel. (3/8 and 3/4 look okay and "triplish"--Don't try 9/8!!!)
2015/02/24 15:53:09
RobertB
czyky
Lots of ways to skin a cat. Quickest way to get your 1-2-3 accents with the metronome would be to temporarily change time signature to 3/8 for recording, then change back to 12/8. (No need to change tempo.)
 

I like that idea. I'll have to try it.
 
2015/02/24 16:23:22
robert_e_bone
I always make my own.
 
Bob Bone
 
2015/02/24 17:25:50
benjaminfrog
tlw
Blues and most African style 12/8 or English/Scots/Irish traditional 6/8 or 9/8 jigs are best handled by setting the time signature to 4/4, 2/4 or 3/4 then thinking in quaver triplets.

+1
2015/02/24 17:52:21
dantarbill
I would also try...
  • Creating a metronome bus to route the metronome to.
  • Put a tempo sync'd delay in the fx bin of the metronome bus.
  • Set your time signature to 4/4.
  • Set your delay to do the triplets for you, adjusting the feedback so you only get three repeats.  (The last one should get masked by the next actual metronome click.)
You should then get metronome clicks on 1, 4, 7 and 10, and delay clicks on the other beats.
 
 
 
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