• SONAR
  • Possible to put track Send PRE FX bin?
2014/11/24 13:53:24
200bpm
It seems that the send is always post FX.  Is there a way to have the signal sent before the fx are applied?
2014/11/24 14:04:03
bluzdog
Here's the signal flow for Sonar X3: http://blog.cakewalk.com/know-your-signal-flow/  http://blog.cakewalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Signal-Flow-Tracks-Buses.gif 
 
 
It looks like you are correct and the sends are post pro channel and effects bin. This would be a good feature request.
 
Rocky
2014/11/24 14:07:30
Anderton
The workaround is to send a track to two buses - one with FX, one without.
2014/11/24 14:14:05
200bpm
I am recording tracks with DI/mic signal left/right.  I use the Channel Tool to center the miced signal, this way I can use the channel fader to control output of the recorded track listening to the miced amp.
 
If the send could be set up PRE FX, then I could send the DI signal to the reamp bus, where it is sent back to the amp using an Effect Insert.  I could then listen to both tracks simultaneously or A/B between the original recording and the reamped one.
 
Because the send is post FX, there seems no easy way to do this, although I am exploring options.  I might have to send the signal to two separate busses.  The one bus would be a reamping bus.  The other bus would be a "playback" bus with the Channel Tool to center the miked signal.  I would lose the ability to use the channel faders.  Messy.
 
So close yet so far. . .
2014/11/24 15:00:10
bluzdog
With a stereo track that has a mic signal on one side and a DI signal on the other, why not split it into two separate mono tracks (or record them into two mono tracks) and skip the channel tool altogether?
 
Rocky
2014/11/24 15:20:52
200bpm
I'm trying to replicate the ease of reamping with VSTs with real amps.
2014/11/24 16:11:57
Anderton
You're losing me because I'm not sure quite what you're trying to do. You're recording two separate signals - one DI and one miked from the amp. Check. But then you mention using the channel fader to control output of the recorded track while listening to the miked amp. By the "recorded" track, do you mean the dry track? And by listening to the miked amp, do you mean while you/re playing, listening to the recorded track of the miked amp, or listening to the dry track feeding the miked amp, which you are then going to re-record?
 
When you say you want the same flexibility with amps that you get with VSTs, a VST is always re-amping because it's always processing a dry signal. So, maybe all you really need to do is clone the track with the dry guitar part, and insert the external insert in the clone so you can do your thing with the amp. Meanwhile, you can put a VST on the original dry track. As there will likely be different amounts of delay, you can insert a channel tools in the earlier track to dial in a matching amount of delay.
 
Then you can listen to both tracks simultaneously, do an opposite mute group so you can A/B the two, bypass the VST, etc. You would also have independent control over the volume for each track.
 
You could also just split the guitar so it only gets recorded dry, while the other split goes to the amp which you can set up for the right feel for your playing. After recording your part, clone the dry track and start playing around with the amp sound.
 
Maybe I'm not understanding exactly what it is you want to do...if you could explain the goal rather than the process you're trying to use to implement the goal, I might be able to provide a better solution. But it seems to me that cloning the dry track might be ideal.
2014/11/24 18:01:29
200bpm
Many ways to skin a cat...
 
I wrote a book and deleted it. . .
tldr;
If sonar could send prior to the track FX, I would be extremely happy right now.
 
 
2014/11/24 18:33:17
Anderton
Any reason not to clone the track? Seems very simple, flexible, and doesn't require busing.
2014/11/24 19:01:13
RobertB
Maybe I'm missing something here.
I just turn off Post, which switches the send to un-post(ie pre). I've been doing this for years, and have a current project with an amp sim in the track Fx bin, plus pre fade sends to two busses with two other amp sims.
All three sims are getting the clean source track as input.
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