mettelus
Now I need clarification... isn't the tap point of a pre-fader send still after a post-FX ProChannel (i.e., any FX in the PC will still be in the send)?

Yes it is, but it would be very convenient to have a tap both before and after fx.... I've asked for this before... But there are workarounds for most situations so I guess not enough of us has requested this feature...

I'm from the old world of tape and analog, so I still think to use this... ;-)

Keni

mettelus
Now I need clarification... isn't the tap point of a pre-fader send still after a post-FX ProChannel (i.e., any FX in the PC will still be in the send)?

Yes the Prochannel can be pre or post FX but either way it is pre-send.

I request that as well! Post fader would include post fx-bin - I believe this is what people expect that it does until they realize it does otherwise(like I just did by reading this good post..)

200bpm
It seems that the send is always post FX.  Is there a way to have the signal sent before the fx are applied?

Create a bus and put the effects on the bus, put a send on the track to the bus and now it is pre fx. You can send the dry track to master if you want.

Hmm... Is it time for a "Sidechain Send" plugin? Then you can stick it in as the 1st FX in your FX bin and can use the output of that as an input to any other track/bus.
 
Not sure how possible that is in Sonar. Sonar sees a 4-in 2-out plugin as a plugin with a sidechain input (this is how Sidechain Mixer works). Not sure what will happen if you have a 2-in 4-out plugin. Worth a try maybe.

Yeah...

This one has always been a bit of a pain for me... Doing the fx in the bus is a problem as well as I can't then send the bus to another bus... Which would be needed many times when I choose to do this...

The solution is to have a switch to allow a send to be pre/post fx as I so often have used in the analog world where winter patching made it "easy"...

Keni

Unfortunately some experimentation shows that creating a 2-in 4-out plugin doesn't work as a sidechain send. The plugin can be configured as both an effect and an instrument, meaning it can be placed inside an FX bin, as well as in the synth rack. When used in the synth rack, it's outputs become available as inputs to other tracks and busses.
 
However, when it is placed inside an FX bin (where we need it), it's outputs are no longer available as inputs to other tracks and busses.

One other thing, you can bounce a track, but you can't bounce a bus, so for that reason it would be nice to keep more cpu hungry effects on the tracks - since when you bounce a track to audio it includes the effects(so you can disable them and save cpu).. But bouncing busses is another feature on the wanting list I guess(protools has it right?)
Keni - not sure I follow, you can send from one bus to another now problem. 

Thanks hanstheman...

Thinking about it afterwards I realized that...

Keni

Keni you can send your bus to another bus, just select the bus you want to output to in the output section or you can insert a send on a bus to another bus.
Hanstheman you can bounce a bus, select track bounce > busses .> pick the bus you want and all the things you want in the mix and bounce. It will bounce the bus to a new track. Sorry if you both already know this and I am not grasping what it is you are trying to do but I hope it helps.