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FastBikerBoy
Declaring something that many of us use without an issue as 'crap' is probably not the best way to get a result. My tuppence worth........ 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ratner

hehe 

(the speech bit.. which cost him his company)

Yeah I remember that. The power of the spoken word hey?

Give the guy a break! So he spent a lot of time with crashes and is frustrated and vented. So what! Even if using WDM drivers Sonar should not crash when deleting a midi track. If sonar makes instrument tracks available they should work and should also not be the problem. Obviously he had no problem installing other programs and they are working. Sonar should provide basic driver set up during install recommending optimal driver setting options. You shouldn't have to know anything about computers to get sonar running 100% crash free. 

WDI


You shouldn't have to know anything about computers to get sonar running 100% crash free. 

I disagree.  As you music producer it is your responsibility to know what:  Drivers, hard disk, processor, ram, monitors, audio card, software, system requirements, and hardware setups are appropriate.


It is the part of the learning curve of music production.  Certainly ten years into music production, one should know how to make a proper bug report, so the software and hardware companies, and use communities can help determine where the true problem is.


All books, schools, courses, classes on music production intro with, "what you are going to need to run this stuff.  And how to set this up."  That is the basic foundation from which we all start.


As a music producer it is not your responsibility to know how to: Code computer software.  Hack computer software.  Write scripts.  Engineer the next midi-controller.  Build your own computer ( Although some do. )  Put your audio card together with a screwdriver and soldering iron.

For solutions like, "Garage Band, MTV Music Creator, Cakewalk's Music Creator, and other beginner software," it is the responsibility of the company selling the software to make sure, "plug and play functionality is there."

For the pro gear:  A certain amount of knowledge should be assumed.  At ten years into production, a lot of knowledge should have been acquired.

Asio is the standard.

You shouldn't have to know anything about computers to get sonar running 100% crash free.

 
Really?  I mean, seriously?
 
If I didn't know anything about computers I wouldn't even attempt to use one for creation! Nothing runs 100% crash free - even stuff installed by IT pros!
 
Really???
 
Brian

WDI
Sonar should provide basic driver set up during install recommending optimal driver setting options. You shouldn't have to know anything about computers to get sonar running 100% crash free.  

but WDI as you know yourself, a little knowledge helps (or can be a dangerous thing hehe) . 


"blame" as such is tricky, it's a bit like me going to your place.. doing some electrical work and it being faulty 6 months later.. due to a plumbers pipe leaking...


people will spend a fortune on a pc / DAW / Controller and next to nothing on a sound card and expect it to work amazingly.. all because they didn't ask pre-buying / budgeting for it.

yes,we help him out and then he leaves with this nasty thread title still in place.

its really a shame,you know there is going to be another time when he needs help and people will remember.
this place is great for help.why people abuse it i have no idea.

The thread title has been changed by now, and I think that's awesome!  Thank you, "way to go."  Any other problems, just ask..  The long term users know more than I for sure, but I'm a fast learner, and things are running really well.


Peace

Years ago we all had to learn about tape machines, aligning them, setting them up, same with large format consoles, setting sync options and a whole host of other things.

It's all too easy these days just to become an "engineer" which engenders the notion of 2I shouldn't have to do this".

Well tough, learning how to use, set up and maintain a computer based studio IS the new engineering - and it's here to stay.

If you can't hack it, become an accountant.


Ah, I forgot - modern accountants use computers all day long as well.

This became an interesting thread.
I know LOTS of professionals and technical trades who don't know diddly about technology. 
Maybe most in fact. Yes they are users, but not fixers.
Engineers, Architects, Doctors, Lawyers, Accountants, teachers, draftsmen,  
The list goes on and on. 
I'd suggest only half or fewer musicians can trouble shoot their gear much beyond changing strings, plugging in and volume adjustments.
The difference may be that most professionals have enough money to include an IT guy on staff.
The audio/video guys are unique in that so many are computer savvy and maybe unique as professionals in that, they alone, (and musicians) can't afford an IT guy.
I wonder if George Martin could troubleshoot DAW crashes?
Remember that it takes at least 10 years to be a pro and that computer programs for professionals have only been useful for the last 20 years. Maybe only 10 for many pros?
When cars were 20, you had to change your own flat tires and adjust spark and fuel on the fly. 
You had to be a pretty good mechanic to keep it running.
Now we expect any licensed 16 yr old driver to jump into any car and drive it.
Computers may be like that one day - soon hopefully. 
Maybe then programs be able to follow suit.
In my opinion, it's the biggest reason that Apple has become so popular.
The PC's are such a complex collection of parts mostly from random manufacturers from third world countries, running programs created by largely self taught software developers that it's a wonder to me that it friggin works at all.

Ah, I forgot - modern accountants use computers all day long as well.  

Yes, and they should feel stupid when they delete a cell or input a formula and the program crashes! Cause obviously that doesn't happen for me and it's obviously either user error for trying to do something the program is designed to do or they didn't install the keyboard, mouse, monitor, memory, hard drive, CPU, mother board, operating system or software correctly. Probably cause they were also using the computer for multiple things like browsing the Internet.  

Obviously the more you know about a computer the better off you will be trouble shooting problems. And yes computers are going to have problems. But I still stand by original post that the solutions offered should in no way have been causing sonar to crash when deleting a midi file or track or whatever. And yes, installing the program to run correctly should be able to be done by someone with, ok I'll give a little, very minimal computer knowledge or interest. Insert the cd and follow the instructions presented on the screen.  

Even though I quoted Bristol, my response is not aimed at his comment. I thought it was funny so I quoted it.