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  • monitor vox through verb
2015/02/16 18:45:48
charles kasler
Hi - I'm using a new Focusrite interface. I want to monitor vox as I'm singing through a Sonar reverb plug. They said to mute the track I am recording so there's no latency (direct monitoring) but that also mutes the reverb. Is there a way around this? Thanks.
2015/02/16 19:50:41
gustabo
Does your Focusrite interface not have DSP for direct monitoring that you can enable?
 
2015/02/16 20:05:34
charles kasler
Bob - I'm new to the interface & still learning. It has "zero latency monitoring". Here's what they said:
You can set MixControl to Zero Latency Tracking. This will allow you to hear the input signal along with the playback from your DAW. When selecting this option make sure to Mute the audio track in your DAW. If the track is not muted you will then do what is called double monitoring. This means that you are hearing your input signal and the same signal coming back from your DAW. This can cause a doubling effect that can throw you off while recording.
 
This works fine but I'm supposed to be able to monitor thru a plug-in with Sonar (I think). But not if I have to mute the track I'm recording. What do others do? Thanks for yr input.
2015/02/16 20:18:39
lawajava
Charles, I have a Focusrite Scarlett audio interface.  Here's how I do it.
 
1. Track you're going to record on, all set up, receiving the direct input from your microphone.  Input echo is on. Routes to a preferred bus you have.
2. Extra bus set up (I call it Live Monitor).  On this bus add a reverb effect.  Since it's on a bus, set the reverb effect to fully wet.
3. Add a Send from your track that you're recording on to that Live Monitor bus, and add in Send volume to suit your needs.
 
This works fine for recording/tracking.
 
On playback turn off the Send to the Live Monitor bus to hear how it sounds with your regular track mix.  You don't need input echo actually for that track at that point either.
2015/02/16 20:19:34
mixmkr
If you're using Cakewalk reverb, you HAVE to monitor the track.  Then you'll need to adjust buffer size to set your latency as low as possible, so there isn't the delay.  Don't monitor off the Focusrite in addition with this.  That said, you may run into trouble if you have a weaker computer, large track counts, virtual instuments.... all because that will affect the ability of the computer and audio device to handle lower latency settings.
 
As a work around, and typically much easier, consider using a hardware reverb in you monitor path, (and then you can also use your Focusrite monitoring..... but obviously don't send the reverb to be recorded..just the mic.  IOW You can buy reverbs used all day long for  $50 or less, that will be fine for this purpose,....like older digital rack mount reverbs
 
 
EDIT  lavajava's idea is great too....but you'll still need to have the latency at a small enough amount so you're not hearing a "delayed" voice when singing.
2015/02/16 22:57:46
lawajava
Craig Anderton suggested a great idea for lowering latency issues on weaker computers while tracking. He suggested bouncing the whole song to a stereo track and muting everything but that and the audio track you are recording.

Seems to work whenever I've had a latency conundrum.
2015/02/17 14:32:16
charles kasler
Great ideas! thank you all.
2015/02/18 20:21:44
charles kasler
OK lawajava - I have the Scarlett also. I followed yr steps. Haven't had enough time yet to play with it, but here's what I got:
I have to engage the Sonar input echo in order to hear the verb bus...not sure why as I don't know what the input echo button actually does - reroute the signal??
When it's engaged I still hear a delay...I could lower the latency as was suggested but a prefader send + mute the track I'm recording seems to work to eliminate the delay. I still need to test it more. 
Do you do any special settings in the mix control? They mostly seem to be for power users. 
 
2015/02/18 21:11:35
lawajava
If I have a chance this evening I'll take a look and give you further description. It does work and provides flexible settings for dialing in reverb as needed.
2015/02/18 21:58:16
Anderton
lawajava
Craig Anderton suggested a great idea for lowering latency issues on weaker computers while tracking. He suggested bouncing the whole song to a stereo track and muting everything but that and the audio track you are recording.

Seems to work whenever I've had a latency conundrum.



Actually I suggested archiving, not muting, as that disconnects the tracks from the CPU. 
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