Phil G

orhanproject

Thanks for the reply Beepster

No double clicking or double triggering, i got a normal mouse, nothing fancy...

since the track layers got introduced back then, i liked them alot and got in to the habit of using many layers (todays take lanes) on many tracks and pretty much on every project, i simply loved the idea and simplicity of having secondary midi/audio recording layers with some variations and just clip mute them and have them all live there, the ones i didnt like or didnt fit to the overall track i simply clip muted the clip(s), and had them there in case I change my mind when carving the song... so in this workflow i got used to I could click on lower part of midi/audio clips without muting the rest of the track layers and it was a safe environment...
(If you ask why I would like to click anywhere , well thats how I set the playhead (now time) This still works but yepp, i might happen to click on a lower part of a midi/audio clip by accident while trying to set the playhead and not noticing that rest of the takelanes got muted. Even when I have all takelanes on tracks open this accident is easy happening...)

This changed when track layers became track take lanes and when the speed comping with "click on midi/audio lower part mute rest of take lanes" funtionality came along with it, my well got used to workflow got in big trouble...

If i would work with only tracks and no take lanes then there is no issue, but take lanes are very important to me. I might be the one of few that uses so many take lanes so this is so troublesome for me and not for other...

All i want is an option to have this switchable when needed, or only work when comping mode is avtive and not other wise....just one more option for the user...

 
I agree 100%, having the comping tool as an option to work within "take lanes" would actually help bridge the gap beetween what was, and STILL IS great about "layers", and what's good about take lanes. What I find really annoying is by making it ALWAYS THERE the whole workflow is geared toward one thing only : comping! This is very restrictive. Like you, I was using layers for so many other things than comping. No other software offers the flexibility that layers used to provide to us while in the creative process. Seems a lot of people missed out on what was cool with layers, I keep switching beetween x3 and 8.5 for that very reason, and it is completely and utterly re-tar-ded. This is a bit closed minded on cakewalk's side I'm sad to say
 

Phil G, thank you for this! You understood me completely :) ( i thought i was alone on this one)

Its been so many times that I considered to stop using take lanes completely just because of comping functionality is always on on take lanes (audio/midi).... Comping is good when I need it, not always on... Close/one way minded :( agree...

I really hope that cakewalk makes an option for enable/disable comping that is "always on" on take lanes right now. Would be awesome with an on/off shortcut to it aswell, just like snap ("N")....

Phil G, how do we get cakes attention on this issue? Woyld be nice if we got a straight reply on this subject...

Saddly there's nothing we can do. I tried earlier in 2014 to raise this issue (amongst others that I eventually sorted out) in another thread I initiated but my login info doesn't seem to work anymore for some reason?... i think the thread was entitled something like " i wanna love x3".
 
I chatted privatly with Craig (who is a very nice fella btw), Noel tipped in... but on cake's side comping and the comp tool are "the thing". For us it's a workflow issue so I guess they can't get it, because it's one thing to think of and design a tool, but it's another one to use it everyday for years, abuse it and twist what it can actually do!
 
so they just don't understand.
 
But it's a definitive and final NO, to Craig, to Cake :  you cannot do as much with the comptool/takelane combo in the  as you could with layers, except fot a more efficient COMPING/Speedcomping, and who cares about comping when you're trying to be creative and play around with your audio...
 
Seriously, if the comp tool was optional in lane context, it would be a step further getting back the workflow/possibilities a lot of people miss from the layer days.
 
and may no-one tell me about learning how to use the tools... I know this soft inside out, this has nothing to do with "learning". Something unique and trully cool died with the replacement of the layer system. They just didn't know what they had in their hands!

Phil G
i think the thread was entitled something like " i wanna love x3".

That would have been a nice positive-thinking kind of title. 
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...es-m2940872.aspx 
 
I'll have to refresh my memory by scanning that thread, but I'm wondering... what's the number one thing you could do with layers that you can't do with lanes due to the comping workflow or Comp Tool getting in the way?
 
 

Be creative... experiment... mix and match ideas... create different versions of an idea within one track and keep them quickly switchable... create happy accidents... the way things were working and layed out, layers was/felt almost like an entire multitrack within one single track! Brilliant creative tool, and unmatched to this day, in any daw. Almost like if each track had the power of a polyphonic Sampler... All in all you could do much, much more than solely "comp".

Come on; just gimme one specific example. The number one thing you can't do with lanes.

Disable the comp tool.

You know what gets old? it's that "I don't get it so I don't use it" mentality. Tell me if I'm wrong but what that whole "o" key was about from my understanding was some people would hit the O key and enter offset mode by mistake... and complain about it? and the shortcut was removed in platinum? are we seriously having a problem? There's a name for that kind of behaviour in french, it's called "nivellement par le bas". Google it :/

Phil G
Disable the comp tool.

Snarky answer to snarky response: F7
 
You know what I mean: the number one creative/compositional thing.

brundlefly

Phil G
Disable the comp tool.

Snarky answer to snarky response: F7
 
You know what I mean: the number one creative/compositional thing.

you answered it for me! Create, and compose! Comping is not Creating nor composing nor having fun, it is "fixing", tightening, repairing...

Hmmm... 6 posts. How'd I miss that? Where's my Troll-B-Gone spray...