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2013/01/28 11:37:06
LJB
A true stereo FX unit will affect the side that gets the input only, unless there is a feedback loop between channels, such as with a delay. Even so, this thing does not behave correctly, even though I like the quality of the algorithms. Bloody annoying, actually.

Nomad Factory Blueverb can accept stereo input, why not a plugin that is many years newer and supposedly better? 
2013/01/28 11:59:47
The Maillard Reaction


I'm listening to Pristine Space at the moment... I'm using my very own true stereo convolution files and I have it patched for true stereo.

It's on a bus I named guitar.

I made the bus so I could insert Pristine Space there.


I took a guitar track and panned it hard LEFT.

I am sending it to the guitar bus with Pristine Space.

I listen to the 100% wet out put of Pristine Space and I have a "reverb" of the guitar in both speakers.

I listen to the 100% dry out put of Pristine Space and the guitar is only in the LEFT speaker... a condition I confirmed by powering off the left speaker.




That's what I meant before... that's what I just checked and confirmed.

I am not sure how it applies to the OP question... but I think it describes what one should expect from a True Stereo reverb effect.


I didn't buy Breverb so I can't comment about it.


best regards,
mike


2013/01/28 12:05:28
Keni
A true stereo input will correctly yield sound on left and right, but how much on each side should vary with the input location...

I have only used Breverb once or twice and had not yet noticed this... A very common digital flaw is that while creating a stereo image at output, many programs and devices sum the l/r input... Sad... Even worse that something as highly touted as Breverb should be so "crippled"... <sigh>

Keni

2013/01/28 12:09:33
LJB
If it is a convolution reverb I'll buy the "reverb in both speakers" thing. But this is not using impulses AFAIK, therefore it should be far more flexible.
2013/01/28 12:11:17
FastBikerBoy
Not quite what you're looking for but the reverb output itself can be panned using the two sliders beneath the output fader.
2013/01/28 12:15:57
The Maillard Reaction

The word "reverb" has an actual definition.

It seems like you are trying to redefine it.





Please excuse if I am mistaken about what you are hoping for.. but do you really just want a reverb effect in one speaker? That's not "reverb"... but of course I can see why someone might call it that.

Do you want to "Pan" a reverb effect?

If so, insert it on a track... and then pan the output to where you want it... just like it is the reverb built in to a mono guitar amp when you pan that to a side. 

Or just pan the output of the reverb bus.

best regards,
mike
2013/01/28 12:16:45
LJB
Yep, that I know, but if one uses it as a central ambience in a mix you can't pan it unless you want to affect all the instruments sent to it.

What I am looking for is to be able to pan the aux send from a track to some degree and have the output of the reverb reflect that. As in placing a source in a space, but using that same space for other sources, as an example (many uses for this feature, actually)
2013/01/28 12:18:56
Loptec
LJB


A true stereo FX unit will affect the side that gets the input only, unless there is a feedback loop between channels, such as with a delay. Even so, this thing does not behave correctly, even though I like the quality of the algorithms. Bloody annoying, actually.

Nomad Factory Blueverb can accept stereo input, why not a plugin that is many years newer and supposedly better? 


I don't fully agree. What you describe would be like having two independent mono-reverbs panned hard left and right.

My opinion is that; if you send a signal panned hard left into the reverb, it still just should be a placement within the space the reverb creates. Reflections should still be created to the right, but the placement of the dry in-signal (in this case hard left) should affect both color and volume of the created reflections in the whole virtual space.

I tried softtube's reverb that comes with the mix bundle and this works as I'd expect from any stereo reverb. Using FX-send to a bus with this reverb, panning the send left and right and listening to the bus solo, clearly pans the placement of the wet sound. I don't know if it just affects the volyme of if it actually changes the frequencies of the sound too though 
2013/01/28 12:19:11
LJB

mike_mccue


The word "reverb" has an actual definition.

It seems like you are trying to redefine it.





Please excuse if I am mistaken about what you are hoping for.. but do you really just want a reverb effect in one speaker? That's not "reverb"... but of course I can see why someone might call it that.

Do you want to "Pan" a reverb effect?

If so, insert it on a track... and then pan the output to where you want it... just like it is the reverb built in to a mono guitar amp when you pan that to a side. 

Or just pan the output of the reverb bus.

best regards,
mike





Mike, thanks for that. Seriously, I am not an amateur, and I know what I want. It's not a difficult thing.


Sincerely,


L.
2013/01/28 12:21:28
ltb

True stereo is Stereo in & out.
2 stereo ir's are needed. You can mix & use different types of stereo ir's too which can be useful.
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