Is there any chance there is a different panning algorithm specified between the different projects?
I found the following content from WAY BACK in Sonar 6, but I think the same data holds true today:
The Pan Laws affect audio in Sonar 6 in the following manner.
*** "w/o track automation" exports, the "Raw Tracks - No Automation/FX" preset was used
so panning does not affect export levels.
*** "with track automation" exports, the "Raw Tracks - No Automation/FX" preset was chosen first
followed by selecting "track automation" in the mix enable list. Panning will affect export levels.
Discussion and Testing Procedure are described at the end of the document.
Last Updated: 02/25/2007
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0 dB Center, sin/cos taper, constant power
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|- w/o track automation -| |- With track automation -|
Clip Type Track Interleave Panning Playback Export Mono Export Stereo Export Mono Export Stereo
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Mono Mono Center 0 dB 0 dB 0 dB 0 dB 0 dB
Mono Mono L 100% +3 dB 0 dB 0 dB 0 dB +3 dB
Mono Stereo Center 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB
Mono Stereo L 100% 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB
Stereo Mono Center +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB
Stereo Mono L 100% +6 dB +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB +6 dB
Stereo Stereo Center 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB
Stereo Stereo L 100% 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB
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-3 dB Center, sin/cos taper, constant power
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|- w/o track automation -| |- With track automation -|
Clip Type Track Interleave Panning Playback Export Mono Export Stereo Export Mono Export Stereo
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Mono Mono Center -3 dB -3 dB -3 dB -3 dB -6 dB
Mono Mono L 100% 0 dB -3 dB -3 dB -3 dB -3 dB
Mono Stereo Center 0 dB 0 dB -3 dB 0 dB -3 dB
Mono Stereo L 100% 0 dB 0 dB -3 dB 0 dB -3 dB
Stereo Mono Center 0 dB +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB 0 dB
Stereo Mono L 100% +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB
Stereo Stereo Center 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB
Stereo Stereo L 100% 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB
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0 dB Center, square-root taper, constant power
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|- w/o track automation -| |- With track automation -|
Clip Type Track Interleave Panning Playback Export Mono Export Stereo Export Mono Export Stereo
==================================================================================================================
Mono Mono Center 0 dB 0 dB 0 dB 0 dB 0 dB
Mono Mono L 100% +3 dB 0 dB 0 dB 0 dB +3 dB
Mono Stereo Center 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB
Mono Stereo L 100% 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB
Stereo Mono Center +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB
Stereo Mono L 100% +6 dB +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB +6 dB
Stereo Stereo Center 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB
Stereo Stereo L 100% 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB
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-3 dB Center, square-root taper, constant power
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|- w/o track automation -| |- With track automation -|
Clip Type Track Interleave Panning Playback Export Mono Export Stereo Export Mono Export Stereo
==================================================================================================================
Mono Mono Center -3 dB -3 dB -3 dB -3 dB -6 dB
Mono Mono L 100% 0 dB -3 dB -3 dB -3 dB -3 dB
Mono Stereo Center 0 dB 0 dB -3 dB 0 dB -3 dB
Mono Stereo L 100% 0 dB 0 dB -3 dB 0 dB -3 dB
Stereo Mono Center 0 dB +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB 0 dB
Stereo Mono L 100% +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB
Stereo Stereo Center 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB
Stereo Stereo L 100% 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB
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-6 dB Center, linear taper
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|- w/o track automation -| |- With track automation -|
Clip Type Track Interleave Panning Playback Export Mono Export Stereo Export Mono Export Stereo
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Mono Mono Center -6 dB -6 dB -6 dB -6 dB -12 dB
Mono Mono L 100% 0 dB -6 dB -6 dB -6 dB - 6 dB
Mono Stereo Center 0 dB -3 dB -6 dB -3 dB - 6 dB
Mono Stereo L 100% 0 dB -3 dB -6 dB -3 dB - 6 dB
Stereo Mono Center -3 dB +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB - 3 dB
Stereo Mono L 100% +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB + 3 dB
Stereo Stereo Center 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB
Stereo Stereo L 100% 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB
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0 dB Center, Balance Control
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|- w/o track automation -| |- With track automation -|
Clip Type Track Interleave Panning Playback Export Mono Export Stereo Export Mono Export Stereo
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Mono Mono Center 0 dB 0 dB 0 dB 0 dB 0 dB
Mono Mono L 100% 0 dB 0 dB 0 dB 0 dB 0 dB
Mono Stereo Center 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB
Mono Stereo L 100% 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB
Stereo Mono Center +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB
Stereo Mono L 100% +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB +3 dB
Stereo Stereo Center 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB
Stereo Stereo L 100% 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB +3 dB 0 dB
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Discussion and Testing Method Description
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This chart describes Sonar meter values relative to the peak values of the clips in the tracks and not Sonar meters
compared to exported file levels, although this can be deduced from the data by comparing Playback values to Export
values. In almost all cases the playback (ie Sonar's meter) levels are exactly the same as exported file levels or
are +/- 3 dB different as a result of any stereo->mono conversion and/or pan law.
If you rely solely on Sonar's meters to determine levels and understand stereo->mono conversion then, in general,
you don't have to worry or think about levels. The issues develop when you really want to maintain the original
clip levels such as when exporting raw (and possibly edited) tracks for use in other software. However, since Sonar
is a mixer it will still send the clips through multiple types of processing even when you disable all the options
on the export dialog. The chart describes how clips are affected when exporting them through this minimal and
"unbypassable" set of processing.
There are some cases where center-panned tracks have different levels depending on whether track automation is
selected or not. They are not panned so track automation should theoretically not affect them. These only seem to
occur in the -3 and -6 center pan laws though.
Here is the testing method used to create the tables above:
1. Create 2 short (~30 second) audio files that are (severely) hard limited to have a near-constant peak of -8 dBFS
(for simplicity and easy reproducibility). For the stereo file, both channels should peak at -8 dBFS. These clips
are best created in a separate audio editor. Under theoretical conditions both files should show a peak value of
-8 dBFS.
2. Create project with 8 tracks. Put the mono clips on the 1st four tracks and the stereo clips on the other 4
tracks. Adjust the interleave and panning on the 8 tracks to correspond to the 8 scenarios.
3. Set the pan law.
4. Play back the project, look at Sonar's meter on each track, and compare them relative to the -8 dBFS theoretical
value.
To test the export values:
5. Click Edit->Select->None
6. Open Export dialog, create file name, uncheck all "mix enable" options except fast bounce, choose source as
"Tracks". Do not alter sample rate from the original sample rate of the clips.
7. Choose file type and check automation as appropriate
8. Export the files
9. Open the 8 individual files in an audio editor and read/record the peak value in the file relative to the
theoretical -8 dBFS value.
Repeat starting from step 3 for testing the other pan laws.
Again, the chart values are relative so for example, +3 dB = -5 dBFS and -3 dB = -11 dBFS, etc. With good naming of
tracks and export files along with competency with an external audio editor the process can be simplified and
streamlined. In fact, every value in the chart could probably be verified in under 60 minutes once the project and
clips are setup.
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Just a thought - I also did a quick read to begin with (sorry about that)
Bob Bone