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  • Track View jumping to parent track when selecting Takes (p.2)
2014/06/05 11:08:14
Beepster
Record Mode = Comping
Auto Track Zoom = Off
 
1) Insert 2 audio tracks into project and arm for recording
 
2) Record into both tracks multiple times creating enough takes/lanes that when viewing the bottom most take of either track the parent track is pushed offscreen upward. Leave the take lanes for both tracks open.
 
3) Select a CLIP in a lane at the bottom of the first track with the parent track offscreen.
 
4) Scroll down to a take at the bottom of the second track and Ctrl select a clip in a *NON corresponding take lane*.
 
5) Now right click to open up the right click options menu. The screen will jump to the parent track.
 
Fortunately this does not seem to select other clips and is how I've been working around the issue. It is still very distracting and sometimes the selection gets dropped and I do believe I have had instances where other clips get selected but I think that was from holding down the Ctrl + Click combo while right clicking.
 
** I say Non Corresponding because if the clips have been grouped for editing then the corresponding take/clip will already be selected and the screen will not jump when you right click. However if the clips are NOT grouped and you Ctrl select the corresponding clip then it WILL jump.
 
So if you can reproduce these then hopefully you can just toss it on the development team's list of things to look at. If not maybe I've got a setting wrong or something. Either way thanks for looking at this.
 
Cheers.
2014/06/05 11:11:02
Beepster
Oh and the above can be duplicated even if the parent track is only partially offscreen. It just isn't as dramatic because it's just nudging the parent track to be completely viewable. The affect of this can be minimized or avoided by making the parent track as vertically small as possible.
 
2014/06/05 11:36:42
Beepster
Oh ferchrissakes... I just edited the original post with the other method. I meant to quote it. Gah.
 
Okay... retyping the ORIGINAL recipe now.
 
 
2014/06/05 11:43:21
Beepster
This is the first recipe I posted.
 
Record Mode = Comping
Auto Track Zoom = Off
 
1) Insert 2 audio tracks into project and arm for recording
 
2) Record into both tracks multiple times creating enough takes/lanes that when viewing the bottom most take of either track the parent track is pushed offscreen upward. Leave the take lanes for both tracks open.
 
3) Select a take lane at the bottom of the first track with the parent track offscreen using the blue select button (the one beside the MSR controls). The screen will not jump.
 
4) Scroll down to a take at the bottom of the second track so the parent track is offscreen.
 
5) Using the blue select button select the take lane.
 
The screen will jump to show the parent track and all the lanes in between the selection and where the cursor lands after the jump will be selected as if I drag selected all those lanes.
 
Okay... sorry for the screwup. lol...
 
2014/06/05 11:58:49
Dan Cate [Cakewalk]
Hi Beepster,
 
I was able to reproduce the jumping when selecting the take strip. However, I was not able to reproduce just selecting clips. I'd like to get to the bottom of that since these cases typically need to be handled individually. If you have a recipe for that please let me know.
 
I think I understand the workflow you are doing here. You are taking a clip from Track X and applying its selection range to track Y. If this is a case where you need to maintain phase between two tracks recording the same instrument (i.e. Bass DI and Bass Amp or Acoustic guitar with 2 mics) or if you just want to edit two tracks in parody, try using the multi-track grouping feature (right click record button, and pick group all clips or group all clips in folders before you do your record passes). This creates clip groups between the two tracks so clip 1 on track 1 take 1 is grouped with clip 1, track 2 take 1. Any clip edit gestures (slip, isolate, etc..) are duplicated across both clips. This saves having to go back and forth between the two takes. You can also group clips after they are recorded. Select the two clips or all clips in the corresponding takes you would like to group, right click and choose "Create Selection Group". Same edit rules apply. 
 
I'm not saying this shouldn't be fixed, just offering an alternative that may be a better workflow for this situation and would avoid this issue.
 
Thanks
2014/06/05 12:12:27
Beepster
Hi, Dan. So the clip selection jump doesn't actually happen when I select the second clip but when I Right Click after the selection to access the menu.
 
The funny thing is you are right about the Clip Grouping and I am now using the Group Clips In Folders option while recording however what I was actually trying to do was group clips I had already recorded with the option off (I thought they could be automatically grouped AFTER recording but that is not the case). So when I tried to right click to get at the clip grouping option that is when the jumps would happen.
 
After messing with it I have a decent workflow to get these things done and in fact I think there is a keybinding for grouping clips which would avoid having to use the right click menu anyway but there may be other functions in that menu that I need to get at which might again trigger this behavior.
 
Actually it seems to mostly have something to do with just scrolling to a different track's take lanes and not necessarily two tracks recorded simultaneously so it may occur when simply moving to another track and doing something which I will try out now.
 
Anyway, I am very happy you confirmed checked it and hope you see the right click behavior as well. Cheers.
2014/06/05 12:30:32
Beepster
I just confirmed that the Right Click jump does not only happen with two tracks recorded simultaneously nor does it require tons of takes. The only thing that needs to happen is the parent track of the second track needs to be completely or partially offscreen.
 
So lets say I do not want to create a selection group because why would I want my guitar and snare drum tracks linked? But I DID want to say trim the end of a song or process an effect or bounce or anything else in that right click menu. I would select the clips, then right click and JUMP!
 
Not a huge deal and obviously it doesn't seem to affect many people otherwise it would have been mentioned before but yeah... just kind of wonk behavior.
 
There is enough info in here now though for decent workarounds and confirmation that it is acknowledged by Cake so we have it archived. I'm gonna post a link to this thread in Alex's X3e consolidated outstanding issues thread.
 
Cheers.
2014/06/05 13:19:06
Splat
Hi there
To clarify what were the final steps to repro here, the expected and actual behaviour? Would be nice to get all the steps and behaviours into one post so it's easy peasy and quick to validate thanks.
2014/06/05 13:44:10
Beepster
CakeAlexS
Hi there
To clarify what were the final steps to repro here, the expected and actual behaviour? Would be nice to get all the steps and behaviours into one post so it's easy peasy and quick to validate thanks.



Post #11 and #14 contain the entire recipes for both variations (#11 describes a jump upon right clicking and post #14 describes jumping using the Take Lanes selection button).
 
Both, if executed to completion, should result in the screen jumping to the parent track at the very least and in the case of the #14 will result in unwanted take lane selections.
 
The intended behavior should be no screen jumping or unwanted selections occurring.
 
This happens because the program wants to show the selected clip in the parent track which in some cases could be construed as desired behavior but IMO isn't. If this is something that is deemed a desired behavior there should be an option to turn it off.
 
The extra selections is most definitely not in any case desired behavior (otherwise the user would select those takes).
 
The jump when Right Clicking is most likely not desired behavior in any situation either because the user simply wants to access the Right Click menu however if it IS deemed to be desired behavior than the option to disable it (mentioned above) should correct it.
 
Also if the behavior of selected clips being shown in the parent track was intentional then it would also happen when making selections of takes/clips in any track at all times. This only happens when scrolling to a DIFFERENT track and making a selections or right click in the combination of steps detailed above. Therefore it is obviously not how the Bakers intended the program to operate as confirmed by Mr. Cate upthread.
 
That should cover it. I could update my post in your thread to point to this or post a follow up or you could simply point to this in your OP. Not sure how you handle that so I'll leave it to you and/or check back later and update where necessary.
 
Cheers.
2014/06/05 14:25:41
Splat
Thanks I'll check it.
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