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2015/02/08 04:58:06
sycle1
All I can say is yes upgrade, because you will always be learning, no matter what stage you are in newbie or veteran, software keeps advancing and so does the hardware .
 However with the newer software you will learn and progress to the newer tech versions and updates, within a year your version will be pretty outdated and it will cost you more in the long run to catch up.
I try and stay current and I must say this product just keeps getting better and better and worth every cent.
I am always learning the newer version but they have so many tutorials and smart users on this forum that can help you just need to ask the question.
Stay up to date is my mantra some of the current updates make workflow so much easier and it is getting better all the time.
Cheers
 
 
2015/02/08 07:54:34
pwalpwal
i would say - shouldn't you learn what you've already got, before "moving the goalposts"? sticking with a certain version until you feel confident with that, before changing, is probably more effective for learning the fundamental stuff-  like you say yourself -the tutorials are your next project, so focus on that before deciding "what next"... but most of all, enjoy yourself :-)
2015/02/08 12:25:34
Genius Animus
Nevermind I got 40$ off m50x and I instantly pulled the trigger. No hesitation lol. Love these headphones as I steal my brothers whenever he isnt looking.
 
Now... I should be getting a replacement scarlett 2i2 in the next month or so.
2015/02/08 19:25:48
Afrodrum
sycle1
All I can say is yes upgrade, because you will always be learning, no matter what stage you are in newbie or veteran, software keeps advancing and so does the hardware .
 However with the newer software you will learn and progress to the newer tech versions and updates, within a year your version will be pretty outdated and it will cost you more in the long run to catch up.
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Let me disagree. Imagine it is 2012 and you know Sonar X2 well. Now it would take you about a day to learn new features of Sonar 2015 plus whatever you need to learn new plugins like Melodyne, Addictive Drums, etc. Also upgrading from X2 to 2015 perhaps would cost you less than through X3. Anyway Sonar 2015 is a great value and I decided to upgrade instantly.
2015/02/08 19:41:04
John
Afrodrum
sycle1
All I can say is yes upgrade, because you will always be learning, no matter what stage you are in newbie or veteran, software keeps advancing and so does the hardware .
 However with the newer software you will learn and progress to the newer tech versions and updates, within a year your version will be pretty outdated and it will cost you more in the long run to catch up.
(...)
 



Let me disagree. Imagine it is 2012 and you know Sonar X2 well. Now it would take you about a day to learn new features of Sonar 2015 plus whatever you need to learn new plugins like Melodyne, Addictive Drums, etc. Also upgrading from X2 to 2015 perhaps would cost you less than through X3. Anyway Sonar 2015 is a great value and I decided to upgrade instantly.


I don't see any real disagreement here. I see an emphasis on one aspect over another but no true disagreement. One my value one aspect over another without discounting the value of the other. Its all in ones perspective.   
2015/02/08 20:22:33
tlw
All I can say about upgrading is that 2015 has a pretty long list of bug fixes and under the bonnet improvements- there's a thread about that on the forum now. 2015's no harder to learn than X3, comes with (hopefully) fewer bugs and once you start mixing (which will happen pretty quickly) the mix recall feature alone is worth a good chunk of the upgrade price.
 
As for headphones, they're not good as the sole monitoring mixing for all sorts of reasons. If you have a room with bass standing waves problems or small nearfield monitors though a closed-back set of phones can be very useful to find out what's really going on in the low end. Also pretty much essential to prevent the monitoring leaking into microphones if you want to record vocals, a guitar amp or anything acoustic of course.
2015/02/09 11:17:50
GregGraves
If you INSIST on treating your room, look into Roxul Safe N Sound rock wool soundproofing.  Build frames, cover with cloth. 
Acoustical Performance: ASTM C 423 Absorption COEFFICIENTS AT FREQUENCIES  3 inch thick
125 Hz   250 Hz   500 Hz   1000 Hz   2000 Hz   4000 Hz    NRC
 
0.52       0.96      1.18        1.07       1.05        1.05          1.05
 
2015/02/10 20:41:35
Genius Animus
Sound proofing isn't an option at the moment but I will keep note of the product Greg, thanks.
 
I know the m50xs aren't the best when it comes to studio referencing but you guys have to remember I am an infant so far in my studies. I have experience with the m50x and enjoy the sound quality very much while being in my price range. That being said they aren't the worst, so I know I'm not going to regret this buy until my ears start getting conditioned for more hardcore producing quality.
 
This is still all planned to get me past the learning curve. Until then I'm not here with a huge budget nor plans to be the absolute best.. yet. For now I will live in a dingy apartment with my family and look for better work while staying true to my creative self. 
 
 
2015/02/11 02:17:23
GregGraves
"Soundproofing" in a "real studio" requires things like cutting the concrete slab, and laying 10 layers of drywall over the studs for mass.  And while you are at, tearing the walls and ceiling down and rebuilding so none of the walls are parallel, including the ceiling to the floor, and that room-symmetry is maintained. Or simply bulldozing your house down and starting over.  Not suggesting that. 
 
Roxul absorbs sound.  That is what those numbers mean below the frequency.  A "1.0" means most of the incident energy that struck the batten did not bounce back into the room.  A "0.5" means about half the energy was absorbed.  Bottom Line --> Roxul has excellent acoustical performance.  If you download REW5.0, you can load up the REW Frequency Generator and excite the room with low frequency tones (40 Hz seems to work good).  Then walk around your room and listen.  You will be amazed.  You can use this method to find the spots where the bass frequencies are piling up in your control room.  Double or triple layers of Roxul (6 inch or 9 inch thick) make good (and cheap) bass traps.  Build frames and cover with cloth from the fabric store and put them where the bass piled up.
 
You can also use Roxul to control early reflections.  It works WAY BETTER than that "acoustic" foam triangley-looking stuff you so often see people using (looks cool, costs a lot of money, and works like crap - and why they rarely publish their  ASTM C 423 Absorption COEFFICIENTS).  Mount panels on wall behind monitors, and to right and left, and on ceiling above listening position.  Places where early reflections are going to interfere with critical listening.
 
And, no, I don't work for Roxul. 
2015/02/11 02:56:42
Genius Animus
Well sorry for the misinterpret. I've seen the terms sound proofing and sound treating used interchangeably so it threw me off. Either way it sounds like cool fancy stuff. I like fancy stuff  . Usually correlates well with shiny stuff. If If I can get closer to that kind of technical prowess/knowledge by reading up on it, then I appreciate the post either way.
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