Teds_Studio
That's not really true if you ask me.  It comes down to a person having a little honesty and honor about themselves.  Then again...there doesn't seem to be much of that in the world anymore.

I can't see how honesty or honour can be in the picture when there's no frame of reference.
 
Maybe Cakewalk intended this all along.  Maybe XLN is paying them to get people hooked on AD2.
We don't know anything, so we can't know what is honest and what is not.  Consuming is a game and maybe this is just a question of CriticalFix being creative and playing well.
 
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.  Then we'll know what the intent was.  Can you really believe that Cakewalk didn't think of this possibility ?
 

since when did honesty and integrity have anything to do with business?!
 
regarding intellectual property, the whole shebang needs reviewing, those laws (certainly in the uk) are based on ancient land property laws, and certainly never expected to cover a whole new digital world...
 
/imho

I think the spirit of arrangement is clear.  You can argue the letter, but the spirit of the arrangement is that the customer should pay the full 12 month price to keep the content offered.
 
Exploitation like this will lead to restricted licenses that only work in a fully functioning Sonar, which means we, the legitimate paying customers, lose because we can't use AD in stand alone mode or in another DAW.

dwardzala
I think the spirit of arrangement is clear.  You can argue the letter, but the spirit of the arrangement is that the customer should pay the full 12 month price to keep the content offered.
 
Exploitation like this will lead to restricted licenses that only work in a fully functioning Sonar, which means we, the legitimate paying customers, lose because we can't use AD in stand alone mode or in another DAW.

Hi Dave-
 
I completely agree with you on the spirit of the arrangement. It seemed odd to me that someone would post asking, essentially, if s/he could "game the system."  I dunno; if I wanted to "game the system," I'd probably keep quiet about it and try it and see what happened. The OP has been very open about his/her intentions, however, so I guess it's up to Cakewalk and XLN to close the loophole if they think there is one.
 
-Susan

jta, the membership description doesn't mention access to the bundled plugs, just a non-demo sonar, unless i missed something?

Here's an analogy.
 
You want a snack from the vending machine.  You see that there is a pack of chips hanging from the rotator.  You know that if you buy from that slot you will probably get two bags of chips.  And so you do.
 
Is this illegal?  Dishonest?   You are only paying for one bag of chips, but you get two.
 
I think most people would argue that its "the machines fault."    So if he orders a month of sonar and gets AD2, isn't it "the machines fault"?
 
Not advocating piracy, but I do think that a software vendor has a responsibility to fix their machine.
 
I also think that publicly judging others has become an epidemic, usually worse than the crime.
 
  

pwalpwal
jta, the membership description doesn't mention access to the bundled plugs, just a non-demo sonar, unless i missed something?

Hi pwalpwal-
 
As a member paying monthly, you have access to everything you would if you paid upfront, so yes, you have access to the bundled plugs and content. I can attest to that ;)!
 
-Susan

Bottom line is, there's a loophole in the system.
 
Either you exploit it to the fullest and then give all the reasons in justifying your decision, or you simply don't.
 
Most people don't want to do the right thing and there are a minority few that like to see the right thing done......... some understand what it's like to be in the vendors shoes. Sadly, many just don't care.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  

Mesh
Most people don't want to do the right thing and there are a minority few that like to see the right thing done...

 
How are you deciding what's right in this instance Mesh ?
 
I'm genuinely curious.  I'm also for doing the right thing, but I first have to know what it is.

200bpm
Here's an analogy.
 
You want a snack from the vending machine.  You see that there is a pack of chips hanging from the rotator.  You know that if you buy from that slot you will probably get two bags of chips.  And so you do.
 
Is this illegal?  Dishonest?   You are only paying for one bag of chips, but you get two.
 
I think most people would argue that its "the machines fault."    So if he orders a month of sonar and gets AD2, isn't it "the machines fault"?
 
Not advocating piracy, but I do think that a software vendor has a responsibility to fix their machine.
 
I also think that publicly judging others has become an epidemic, usually worse than the crime.
 
  

And in this instance, its probably the previous customer who suffered the loss, not the vending machine.  What if the person just shook the machine without paying anything and got 1 bag of chips? (That's a more apt analogy - I would argue in that case that it is stealing.)
 
Again, you can argue the letter ("the machine" as you call it) but not the spirit.  And I am not judging the person, I am judging the action and stating the probable consequences if enough people take that action.
 
It boils down to integrity.  Some people have it and some people don't.  I don't want the ones that don't to penalize me.