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  • Latency on new install, new laptop. (p.3)
2015/02/08 12:47:40
rsinger
I just glanced thru the thread, so I might have missed this, have you patched your 840 EVOs?
 
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2836082/samsung-delivers-fix-for-ssd-slowdowns.html
 
It could be a contributing factor ...
2015/02/08 13:24:36
percepto
rsinger
I just glanced thru the thread, so I might have missed this, have you patched your 840 EVOs?
 
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2836082/samsung-delivers-fix-for-ssd-slowdowns.html
 
It could be a contributing factor ...


Yes, but thanks anyway.
2015/02/08 13:39:18
robert_e_bone
Thanks so much for hanging in there with all of this - drives me NUTS when I am trying to record and something is glitchy somewhere. :)
 
If everything is working OK for you with 96 k and 256, AND you have a resulting low latency reported by Sonar for doing your recording, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with running your system that way.  Many folks choose to run at those settings anyways, so again, you are fine with that set of settings.  It WILL chew up a bunch more disk space because you are sampling twice as much data, and I would imagine processing it all would maybe take longer (not sure on that, because I don't run at 96 k), but if you have sufficient disk space, cool.
 
I remain curious as to what is making the difference when you were trying to test at 48 k and 128.  During that set of tests, the Wi-Fi was disabled?  (just want to make sure I understand the setup for the test).  And, also for that particular test, what plugins were loaded into the project?  Sometimes, specific plugins can induce a bunch of latency.
 
Lastly, if you haven't done it, and don't mind investing a couple more minutes into obliging me, I would like you to try one more test at 48 k and 128 buffer size, ASIO driver mode.  THIS time, please make sure that no effects at all are loaded/enabled.  Now, if your project HAS loaded effects, I am not suggesting you go through the hassle of removing them - I would suggest instead that you simply bypass the effects during this test.  To do that, you would hit the letter 'E' on your computer keyboard, and this toggles the Bypass All Effects off/on.  So, the test should be run with any effects bypassed, to keep it as pure as possible.  AFTER the test, hitting 'E' again will once again enable any effects to process again.
 
It's entirely up to you if you want to try the above - since you reported success running at 96k/256 you could simply run at those settings, but if things also work at 48k/128, then you could save some disk space and possibly some processing time when rendering things.
 
Also, that IS good news about LatencyMon finding your system OK for streaming audio applications, such as Sonar.  I didn't go back to see if your Wi-Fi was disabled when you ran LatencyMon, but in any case, anytime I am using Sonar on a laptop, I always make sure to disable Wi-Fi just prior to running Sonar, then enable it again when through.  I did see where you reported some other things clearing up with it disabled, so I again recommend running it that way when launching Sonar.
 
Bob Bone
 
2015/02/08 13:42:22
robert_e_bone
I also dug up a good Microsoft link that explains Page Faults, including both Hard and Soft, and that contains useful and important information:
 
http://blogs.technet.com/b/askperf/archive/2008/06/10/the-basics-of-page-faults.aspx
 
The information relevant to you is in the first three paragraphs at the top of the article.
 
Bob Bone
 
 
2015/02/08 20:04:52
percepto
I would like to get this sorted as I don't want to make the CPU and HDs work harder than they need to by running at 96k.
I tried it at 48k in Asio mode but I was still having problems, also with the Wi-Fi adapter disabled.
I will always run Sonar without the Wi-Fi adapter as it makes sense to eliminate a possible problem and it can't do any harm anyway.
I have no plug-ins or fx running, it is a very simple sequence of drums, bass, organ, synth (soft synths) and 1 x audio track (guitar)
The really frustrating thing is that the problem is intermittent.

I am now trying the WDM drivers. It seems to have stabilised now but I don't know really know why.
I set it at 24bit, 44.1k.
The buffers in playback queue is set at 2. I have no clue what this setting means.
I raised the buffer size slider a tiny bit towards the "safe" side as I was still getting problems on the "fast" setting. I only moved the slider a little so that the latency was still under 10. 
I have a latency of 8.7msec which seems acceptable and the distorted sound has gone.
When I did the Wave Profiler (WDM driver) it shows me that my sound card only has 44.1k available, all the others are unavailable.
There is just so much of this that I don't understand, I would like to comprehend the changes that I am making.
 Thanks for the link to the article, I will take a look tomorrow.


2015/02/08 23:20:54
robert_e_bone
Could THIS be your thread from a while back?
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Popping-amp-clicking-Loop-construction-m2777992.aspx
 
Just so you know, the forum search functionality blows chunk (not owned by Cakewalk, but some third-party company).  So, how I found the above was to search Google, in a way that helped limit where it searched to the Cakewalk Forums.
 
So, there is a Google search construct that can be modified for the site you want, which I entered as: site:forum.cakewalk.com percepto lenovo
 
(the Site parameter tells it to only search for results from forum.cakewalk.com which is these forums, and the added 'percepto lenovo' parameters are actually what I was looking for on the Cakewalk site's forums section.
 
So, next time you want to search for something in the forums, try using site:forum.cakewalk.com searchterm1 searchterm2 searchterm3 etc.....
 
Maybe something in that prior thread will help you get your current nightmares resolved.  I will be dropping off to bed momentarily (my brain is already tucked in and snoring), but I will dig into this for you in the morning, I will follow up mid-morning. :)
 
Hang in there, 
 
Bob Bone
 
2015/02/09 08:31:10
percepto
Hey Bob,
Yes, that is a thread from a few years ago and I just read it through and, quite honestly, I am a little shocked!
There was definitely a miscommunication somewhere, and I may have been at fault, (I honestly can't remember) but you made it sound like I was deliberately avoiding giving information.
I have consistently noted my gratitude at anyone offering their time and help, I really do appreciate it and I can't understand the animosity directed at me in some of your final posts in this thread. In all honesty I can't even remember reading those final ones as I am sure I would have responded then in the same way I am doing now. I wouldn't have simply left the issue hanging in the air like that. It is clear from your posts that you think I wasted your time, but I really was not aware of this and I apologise for any misunderstanding.

The issue then was definitely the laptop itself as I ended up using the Lenovo laptop to write and produce a song with no complications, latency or whatever. Unfortunately that situation didn't last and I had to give the laptop back and I had a bit of a hiatus of a couple of years where I didn't use Sonar. Now as you can see I have a brand new custom-built laptop (my own!) as I once again am about to write some music.

So, back to today.
As I said, I am using the WDM drivers and the system seems stable. No pops, glitches or drop-outs, but I am literally just playing the patterns in Matrix mode, no fx or plug-ins.
I don't want to start writing until I at least have a stable system, which is why I am only now installing Komplete 10 Ultimate after purchasing it over 2 weeks ago!
I will then be in a position to really test my system.

I am now reading all the info from the links you sent me and going back over the previous post as there are a few links there that I have to re-read.

These are my current (stable) settings:

Driver Mode: WDM/KS
Dithering: Triangular
Share Drivers with other programs - ticked
Use Multiprocessing Engine - ticked
Use MMCSS - ticked
Always Stream Audio Through FX - ticked

Playback Timing Master : Babyface Analog (1+2)1/2
Record Timing Master : Babyface Analog (1+2)
Audio Driver Bit Depth: 24 64-bit Double Precision Engine - ticked
Sampling Rate : 44100
Buffers in Playback Queue : 2
Buffer Size: 8.7 msec, 384 samples

FILE SYSTEM
Enable Read Caching - unticked
Enable Write Caching - unticked
Playback I/O Buffer Size (KB) 512 (I changed this from 256 on Bob's advice)
Record I/O Buffer Size (KB) 512  (I changed this from 256 on Bob's advice)

I still don't know what the "2" setting means in "buffers in playback" and whether or not that should be changed. I also don't know why no frequencies other than 44.1k are available on my RME Babyface sound card.

Do these settings look correct?
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