• SONAR
  • WTF Free????? (p.12)
2018/04/06 08:04:57
Anderton
Kamikaze
Leee
I paid for a lifetime subscription and in return got months and months of updates and new features for my money.
If Sonar remained as abandonware, I still would be using it and still getting my initial money's worth.
But now Bandlab is starting from scratch.  They have picked up the ball dropped by Gibson and are now running with it.  I suspect they will start adding even more updates and features (ones I haven't yet paid for), and I will happily continue to use what I already paid for, and have the choice to use new features that will be offered.

If you want to get caught up in semantics, then yes, you'll soon be paying for new features that "you should have" been getting for free with your old "Lifetime updates".  But through no fault of their own, Bandlab has saved Sonar from oblivion, while at the same time attempting to honor the folks who paid for a lifetime subscription.  Meaning that we won't get double charged for features we already paid for!   In a perfect world Gibson/Cakewalk would have survived and we'd be getting lifetime updates for free until we croak.   But sh*t happens and we're faced with a new reality.  I'm satisfied with all the updates and features I already got with my "lifetime" subscription, and I'm greatly relieved that Cakewalk won't stop working now if MS releases a Windows update that might've screwed Sonar up.

I choose to see it as a good thing and I don't feel like I've been screwed or taken advantage of.  But obviously others will try and make the WORST out of this situation.  And quite honestly, this kind of petty bickering and open hostility makes it seem more like people fighting about politics than a simple change in ownership of DAW software.
Make music and let it go, you'll be much happier and live longer!


I think you have covered both the situation and my sentiments t the situation quite well there Leee.

 
Wanted to mark Leee's post helpful, but you beat me to it. 
2018/04/06 08:23:24
Anderton
Jeff Evans
Something similar happened around the time that Apple took over Logic. Up until that point I had spent thousands on the program itself plus I bought all the instruments one by one and paid a high price for all that.  Even so I was happy with what I had.  Then Apple took it over, removed it from the Windows environment, put the whole program out for $200 and included all the instruments free of charge at the same time! I was a bit annoyed at the time as well.
 
What can you do? Not much really apart from move on I guess. So it's not the first time something like this has happened. 



Indeed. New users were happy it was so cheap, long-time users were miffed, stores that sold Logic were distressed, companies selling Mac software that didn't have hundreds of billions of dollars in the bank were devastated...especially those who had supported the Mac through thick and thin, like the Gil Amelio years. I talked to one company that felt Apple might as well have said "Thanks for your loyalty and support, we really appreciate it!! Now go out of business - it's not our fault you weren't smart enough to make iPhones."
 
Seems to me that BandLab is adopting the Microsoft model and the original intention behind lifetime updates: You get the core for free, then pay for the extras you want. It doesn't really hurt anyone, helps a lot of people (those dependent on Cakewalk continuing to exist), and will allow more people more options. Works for me.
 
I suspect we'll also see more and more people using more than one program. After a period of mutual appropriation of features, I see music software programs diverging to the point where people will "double" on programs even more than they do now.
2018/04/06 09:58:04
Songroom
Whilst it's true that new users can install the new release for free, those of us with an existing installation still have access to the many Platinum extras. They'd have to spend a lot of money to build up a comparable system.
 
At the end of 2017 we had an unsupported DAW, now we have new momentum with a decent chance of a healthy future. I don't feel like I've lost anything, quite the opposite.
2018/04/07 15:00:39
BMOG
If you want to get caught up in semantics, then yes, you'll soon be paying for new features that "you should have" been getting for free with your old "Lifetime updates".  But through no fault of their own, Bandlab has saved Sonar from oblivion, while at the same time attempting to honor the folks who paid for a lifetime subscription.  Meaning that we won't get double charged for features we already paid for!  
 
Has this been confirmed by Bandlab? Just curious
2018/04/07 16:57:49
scook
BMOG
...we won't get double charged for features we already paid for!  
 
Has this been confirmed by Bandlab? Just curious


http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3745236
 
2018/04/07 17:33:24
michael diemer
Songroom
Whilst it's true that new users can install the new release for free, those of us with an existing installation still have access to the many Platinum extras. They'd have to spend a lot of money to build up a comparable system.
 
At the end of 2017 we had an unsupported DAW, now we have new momentum with a decent chance of a healthy future. I don't feel like I've lost anything, quite the opposite.


Exactly. Even I, with 8.5 as my latest pre-Bandlab version, have Dim Pro, LP64 EQ and LP64 Multiband. People with Platinum have much more. and we all have free updates to Bandlab for the foreseeable future. Pretty much the situation that existed with lifetime updates. And people are complaining. Imagine that.
2018/04/07 19:19:12
iRelevant
General feel. Ignorance. Ungratefulness. Depressive.
2018/04/07 21:19:23
Cactus Music
I would be curious to install this CbB on a fresh machine that had no other DAW present. 
I would imagine it would be similar to Home Studio as far as content goes. 
Scook said it's more like Artist. 
I wonder if that Home Studio for free is still happening? 
 
If someone hasn't done this could you try it? 
you copy paste this: 
 
3327-46FD-8F9A-BBC7
 
Here     http://www.cakewalk.com/Redeem?kl=16&promo=CM250
2018/04/07 21:43:12
scook
I don't recall making the comparison but it's possible. There is not much visible difference between SHS and Artist. IIRC, the bundled plug-ins are similar SHS has limits (for details see the comparison chart) the regular SONAR line did not have. The DAW part of CbB is Platinum. The additional content currently shipped with CbB is the Artist Instrument Collection which is similar if not the same as Home Studio. Rapture Session has not been ported to BandLab. Not sure if the plan is to port it or just Rapture Pro. Regardless, I think this is a better description of CbB right now.
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