• SONAR
  • WTF Free????? (p.4)
2018/04/05 00:18:35
BMOG
What would be great if they grandfather in life time subscribers!
2018/04/05 00:28:18
bapu
BMOG
What would be great if they grandfather in life time subscribers!


Ummm essentially you are. If you leave Platinum installed you still have access to all activated plugs for use in CbB (other have already proved that today) that run in Platinum. Ad you have the added benefit of *both* version running simultaneously.
 
I highly suspect that LTU users will eventually get all Cakewalk owned/developed plugs via BandLab Assistant (free of course). Your 3rd party stuff (mostly) never relied on Cake servers to authorize and if they did you *may* lose that, but in the case of Melodyne Essentials and AD2 these were external activations with the supplier and they *do not* IIRC reply on the install of Platinum to continue to operate since they come from the Vendor's installers.
2018/04/05 00:38:25
bdickens
msmcleod
BMOG
fresh101
This is another example of the "How come they?" mentality many Americans suffer from. The original poster probably would not have had a problem receiving the product for free as a loyal paying costumer....but as far as everyone else?..."How come they get it for free too?" is what's really being asked here.


I am American and proud of it, if that means I want my hard earned dollars to count for something then I am guilty as charged. I have paid for every version since cakewalk, which paid the developers that created the latest version of Splat. So yes I fee others should not get for free what my invested dollars have paid for, give them a baseline version but not the latest and greatest




I guess this is a cultural thing. I'm not American, so personally I'm fine with Cakewalk being free, but I work with Americans every day and for an American company, so I do understand the difference in attitude and why you feel the way you do. Meng is from Singapore and was educated in the UK, where many have a different attitude to money.
 
I look at this way:
1. I too paid for Cakewalk as far back as Pro Audio 7 and at least every other version since. I got what I paid for at the time, I got good use out of it, so I'm happy with that.
 
2. Sonar Artist (with a few minor exceptions) was not very different from Platinum - it was the bundled plugins that made the difference which aren't being made available with BL Cakewalk. So this is effectively the baseline version.
 
3. You've still got everything you paid for in the past, and all the bundled plugins you got with your previous versions are available in BL Cakewalk. New users won't have those.
 
4. I fully expect the missing Cakewalk instruments/pro channel effects etc to become available at some point, and these we will have to pay for. I'm still gutted I didn't buy the PK4S Channel Compressor so I'm hoping this becomes available for purchase soon.
 
5. Most important... you can spend the money you're not spending on BL Cakewalk on more plugins/instruments/hardware :)
 
M.


It isn't a cultural thing at all but a Kindergarten tantrum worthy of any five year old.

A very wise man once told a story that went something like this:

"20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. 2 After agreeing with the laborers for the usual daily wage, he sent them into his vineyard. 3 When he went out about nine o’clock, he saw others standing idle in the marketplace; 4 and he said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ So they went. 5 When he went out again about noon and about three o’clock, he did the same. 6 And about five o’clock he went out and found others standing around; and he said to them, ‘Why are you standing here idle all day?’ 7 They said to him, ‘Because no one has hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard.’ 8 When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his manager, ‘Call the laborers and give them their pay, beginning with the last and then going to the first.’ 9 When those hired about five o’clock came, each of them received the usual daily wage. 10 Now when the first came, they thought they would receive more; but each of them also received the usual daily wage. 11 And when they received it, they grumbled against the landowner, 12 saying, ‘These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.’ 13 But he replied to one of them, ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for the usual daily wage? 14 Take what belongs to you and go; I choose to give to this last the same as I give to you. 15 Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or are you envious because I am generous?’ 16 So the last will be first, and the first will be last.” Matthew 20:1-16
2018/04/05 00:44:19
Dreamstation
Two weeks ago I received an email from BandLab (I expect you all got this as well) where they said:
 
"it’s important that you make a BandLab account to ensure that we are able to keep track of your past purchases and ownership history"  "to make sure you get the appropriate upgrade or crossgrades in the future"
 
This led me to believe that there would be some advantage to being a past owner (I also had "lifetime").  I'm happy that others can get on board - I've been on to naysaying friends to grab it now.  The only thing I'd still like to see is that if they do start charging then they might honor "past purchases and ownership history" as suggested - though if they don't I understand, and I don't expect or demand it... but it would be super nice if they honor my "lifetime" purchase.  Let's see what happens.  I was really worried that they would port the whole thing to a browser environment, thrilled that they haven't.
 
Th only thing I'm truly annoyed about is that because I thought it was dead and buried I grabbed Ableton Live 10 - it is unfathomably **** compared to Sonar.  I can probably sell on my license.
2018/04/05 00:46:16
BMOG
bdickens
msmcleod
BMOG
fresh101
This is another example of the "How come they?" mentality many Americans suffer from. The original poster probably would not have had a problem receiving the product for free as a loyal paying costumer....but as far as everyone else?..."How come they get it for free too?" is what's really being asked here.


I am American and proud of it, if that means I want my hard earned dollars to count for something then I am guilty as charged. I have paid for every version since cakewalk, which paid the developers that created the latest version of Splat. So yes I fee others should not get for free what my invested dollars have paid for, give them a baseline version but not the latest and greatest




I guess this is a cultural thing. I'm not American, so personally I'm fine with Cakewalk being free, but I work with Americans every day and for an American company, so I do understand the difference in attitude and why you feel the way you do. Meng is from Singapore and was educated in the UK, where many have a different attitude to money.
 
I look at this way:
1. I too paid for Cakewalk as far back as Pro Audio 7 and at least every other version since. I got what I paid for at the time, I got good use out of it, so I'm happy with that.
 
2. Sonar Artist (with a few minor exceptions) was not very different from Platinum - it was the bundled plugins that made the difference which aren't being made available with BL Cakewalk. So this is effectively the baseline version.
 
3. You've still got everything you paid for in the past, and all the bundled plugins you got with your previous versions are available in BL Cakewalk. New users won't have those.
 
4. I fully expect the missing Cakewalk instruments/pro channel effects etc to become available at some point, and these we will have to pay for. I'm still gutted I didn't buy the PK4S Channel Compressor so I'm hoping this becomes available for purchase soon.
 
5. Most important... you can spend the money you're not spending on BL Cakewalk on more plugins/instruments/hardware :)
 
M.


It isn't a cultural thing at all but a Kindergarten tantrum worthy of any five year old.

A very wise man once told a story that went something like this:

"20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. 2 After agreeing with the laborers for the usual daily wage, he sent them into his vineyard. 3 When he went out about nine o’clock, he saw others standing idle in the marketplace; 4 and he said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ So they went. 5 When he went out again about noon and about three o’clock, he did the same. 6 And about five o’clock he went out and found others standing around; and he said to them, ‘Why are you standing here idle all day?’ 7 They said to him, ‘Because no one has hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard.’ 8 When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his manager, ‘Call the laborers and give them their pay, beginning with the last and then going to the first.’ 9 When those hired about five o’clock came, each of them received the usual daily wage. 10 Now when the first came, they thought they would receive more; but each of them also received the usual daily wage. 11 And when they received it, they grumbled against the landowner, 12 saying, ‘These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.’ 13 But he replied to one of them, ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for the usual daily wage? 14 Take what belongs to you and go; I choose to give to this last the same as I give to you. 15 Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or are you envious because I am generous?’ 16 So the last will be first, and the first will be last.” Matthew 20:1-16

5 year old tantrum you say and then come with bible verses into the conversation, typical judgemental mindset on display :)
2018/04/05 00:54:54
muzdol
blame myself.. why did i buy lifetime SPlat...
2018/04/05 00:59:31
Kamikaze
bdickens


It isn't a cultural thing at all but a Kindergarten tantrum worthy of any five year old.

.........” Matthew 20:1-16

Throws insult, quotes a bible.

2018/04/05 01:02:03
BMOG
muzdol
blame myself.. why did i buy lifetime SPlat...

+1
2018/04/05 01:02:32
BMOG
Kamikaze
bdickens


It isn't a cultural thing at all but a Kindergarten tantrum worthy of any five year old.

.........” Matthew 20:1-16

Throws insult, quotes a bible.



Right LOL! I forgive him :)
2018/04/05 01:24:20
mariogag
Anderton
Leee
I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop.  You can't maintain software by just giving it away for free.  There has to be a source of income. 



The company of which BandLab is a part appears to have plenty of sources of income.
 
Quick story. When Musician's Friend owned Harmony Central, when I first came onboard in 2005 the site lost $50,000. I felt terrible about it. I went to the CEO and he said not to worry, the money Musician's Friend got from people buying from their ads on the site added up to way more than enough to keep Harmony Central afloat, and then some. 
 
The CEO had the smarts to realize that Harmony Central wasn't a revenue source, but a marketing expense...and probably the most cost-effective marketing expense they ever incurred . It wouldn't surprise me if Cakewalk is seen as not just a great DAW, but a way to attract people to a site.


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