drewfx1
I think his point may be that he's seeing his $149 as paying for the new features as well as the "coming soon" features and he'd rather only pay for the new features already released that he can evaluate before buying.
 
It's just a different way of looking at the pricing structure. To me I (too) am not going to pay $149 for promises, but I choose to look at it as I can evaluate the current new features to see if they're worth the upgrade cost and then I get a year's worth of free stuff.

That seems very fair. I can understand that logic. 

listen
Here is the question - will I be able to download/update if my main system is not connected to the internet???
 

 
Yes - absolutely. Everything that is available in Command Center will also be available from your My-Account page. Additionally there is an 'offline activation' method (you can actually see this page now today on our site in My-Account) that will allow you to import an authorization request from your non-connected system, copy it to your online computer, get the response file from our site and then import on your offline computer.
 
If your primary DAW is offline then I'd suggest doing the upfront option instead of monthly. This way you only have to do the authorization handshake dance once a year.
 

Greeny

Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]

Greeny
This stinks. I shall be voting with my wallet, hello steinberg.

I sense a starting here. Any chance you can share what aspect you're not a fan of? Maybe we can help to clarify? If not, the feedback would be helpful for us either way.

I want to buy a daw, I want to know what I am buying when I buy it, I dont want to be teased tyvm. When I part with my hard earned cash I want to know what I am buying. You dont buy a steering wheel with the promise of a car in parts over the next 12 months do you? No! So why should we be doing this with our daws?

Because you are not buying a steering wheel. You're buying a fully functional DAW.

Just wondering if the Pricing sheet is correct?
 
From X3 Producer to Platinum it is $149 first 12 months then raises to $199 the second 12 months.  The renewal stays the same for the Pro and Artist series, there is no price increase...

theheliosequence

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]

theheliosequence
Ok, just to clarify... If I sign up for a month to month and the new version is messy enough that I feel like I'm going to wait on it... I can cancel, but I lose the new version.
 
If a few months down the road it seems like it's worth trying again, then I can go month to month again and I've got the software back.
 
If I keep going, after 12 months, then I've got all of the current features at the 12 month point even if I cancel. Now what about consecutive month 13, 14, 15? Do I "own" any current updates for every month past the 12th month? Or will it be another year before new features are owned without a monthly membership?

You wil continue to keep everything you own after the 12th month. So say you continue to renew for 6 more months and then decide for whatever reason that you don't want to be a member, you'd keep everything you received up until month 18. However, once you opt out, you'd have to do another 12 month membership or pay upfront. 

Ok, that seems fair. It is more expensive that the $100-$150 every year and a half or so, but it would be worth it if the software could be kept bug free more easily.
 
BUT... BIG QUESTION!!! How do you implement this type of licensing? iLok? Or do we have to be connected to the internet? Please tell me there is going to be a dongle free offline activation that I don't have to run at the beginning of every month unless I purchase a year license in advance...
 
Also, will this at all change the policy of having Sonar installed on more than one machine, just not used at the same time? I am still using Sonar for Live shows on a Laptop...

This will all be managed from the new Cakewalk Command Center. No dongle required but internet connection is required to download the updates. And you can install on multiple machines. 

theheliosequence

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]

theheliosequence
Ok, just to clarify... If I sign up for a month to month and the new version is messy enough that I feel like I'm going to wait on it... I can cancel, but I lose the new version.
 
If a few months down the road it seems like it's worth trying again, then I can go month to month again and I've got the software back.
 
If I keep going, after 12 months, then I've got all of the current features at the 12 month point even if I cancel. Now what about consecutive month 13, 14, 15? Do I "own" any current updates for every month past the 12th month? Or will it be another year before new features are owned without a monthly membership?

You wil continue to keep everything you own after the 12th month. So say you continue to renew for 6 more months and then decide for whatever reason that you don't want to be a member, you'd keep everything you received up until month 18. However, once you opt out, you'd have to do another 12 month membership or pay upfront. 

Ok, that seems fair. It is more expensive that the $100-$150 every year and a half or so, but it would be worth it if the software could be kept bug free more easily.
 
BUT... BIG QUESTION!!! How do you implement this type of licensing? iLok? Or do we have to be connected to the internet? Please tell me there is going to be a dongle free offline activation that I don't have to run at the beginning of every month unless I purchase a year license in advance...
 
Also, will this at all change the policy of having Sonar installed on more than one machine, just not used at the same time? I am still using Sonar for Live shows on a Laptop...

You can either use Cakewalk Command Center https://www.cakewalk.com/Command-Center to download and install which will activate automatically (requires an internet connection) or you can follow our Offline Activation instructions here https://www.cakewalk.com/My-Account/Offline-Activation 
 
(the link in the page is not currently active, we'll have that up soon)

Interesting.  I'm not sure I'm quite ready to jump out of X3 Producer yet.  I have so many additional plugins now that I'm not sure the new additions will be relevant to my recording or work flow.  I might just hold off a little until I hear some feedback on the new system.

rtucker55
Just wondering if the Pricing sheet is correct?
 
From X3 Producer to Platinum it is $149 first 12 months then raises to $199 the second 12 months.  The renewal stays the same for the Pro and Artist series, there is no price increase...

We are offering current X3 customers a special introductory price on Platinum. The prices for the other versions are already pretty affordable considering the feature set (in my opinion).

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]

drewfx1
I think his point may be that he's seeing his $149 as paying for the new features as well as the "coming soon" features and he'd rather only pay for the new features already released that he can evaluate before buying.
 
It's just a different way of looking at the pricing structure. To me I (too) am not going to pay $149 for promises, but I choose to look at it as I can evaluate the current new features to see if they're worth the upgrade cost and then I get a year's worth of free stuff.

That seems very fair. I can understand that logic. 

That is exactly my point, I am sorry if I failed to get it across, most companys dont go around giving stuff away for free, that seems like a good way to go out of business so I can only assume that these 12 months are covered in the one time upgrade free. I am not implying that there is nothing new now I clearly see there is new stuff right away. I just think it would be better to have the option to not have to pay for the 12 months of extras, I dont want to pay for them and not have them, I maybe even want them but until I know what they are I dont know so to me it seems like I am paying for a bunch of promises (as well as a bunch of new stuff right away).
 
So it seems like you are telling me, pay the onetime upgrade and the 12 months sub, or you dont get to have the update, that is the part I do not like. I read through all of the link you posted before I made a single post, I understand I am gonna get new stuff now. I am still gonna be fronting money for promises no matter which option I choose.

Wait, I think I  may be slightly ****ed. If I pay for 1 month now, I get the new update and get to keep it even if I only pay for 1 month?